from JS I am very excited about your articles about the black hole and the possibility that they do not exist. Without scientific basis, I have been led to believe this same idea that the black hole is not a hole nor a gravitational vise but a dying field where matter is excited to collapse upon itself. The debris of this event is eliminated in radiation and sub atomic particles that eventually find their way into other comic projects and contribute to a universal pressure/fuel that in of itself contribute a component into to the effects we know as gravity. Gravity like the "black hole" are both names that have trapped modern thinking in terms that are not workable and limit even the beginning of open thinking that enlightens such topics or events. The great dying places of matter (or conversion furnaces) are a finite zone where matter is excited upon a radiation or other harmonic disturbances that relieve other over pressurizations created elsewhere in the universe. Either by generating their own cold excitation from this pressurization or by becoming the focal point of convergence, the communal collapse of matter in this vortex seems to be finite as when the pressure is relaxed the consumption process of the "black hole" ceases. Sometimes the mechanism remains in place purring and warm and ready to reignite as clues to this remain in the form of absence of light yet the lack of "feeding". This may suggest that either the event is past, ready to start or the conditions that trigger the event have been partially initiated and the photon is the first or one of the first causalities. And not from a gravitational vise but from the instability of the finite zone where this event may start (think of a tornado that may touch down if everything lines up perfectly and only perfectly but yet chaos is still there yet not in the completed form of the tornado). The black hole or matter going "black" (better name perhaps for this event) leaves a absence of matter in its wake. This empty place will be filled and it seems that it is filled in an almost Keplarian decaying orbit as it too reacts to this same "cold" excitation. To me it says that gravity is not what it appears to be. Gravity may be a condition of pressurization that forces matter toward an enity that broadcasts a harmonic value either by its velocity, magnetic signature or the lines of radiation it cuts across in its vector through space. We have given the black hole credit for warping gravity, space, distance and time. It may do all these things with the exception of time in only one perception and that would be the suspended animation of animal life in relationship to its own bio/atomic clock (forcing it into its own relative future with no way back and in terms of life as the only standard of relative awareness/concern of the event). This backward look at the black hole may indeed give up the secrets we are looking for in our own limited need to seed the universe with "us". The trick that is performs is the ability to close distances between two points at fantastic speed. It also removes light speed as a constant limitation of velocity as that too is no longer an event that can not be tamed. In conclusion, the black hole and its companion the non feeding black hole is the key to the door into the universe and will unlock all the questions we can bounce all our wrong answers off. It will prove, I feel, that all matter can go "black" upon its specific "cold" excitation and collapse in a limited and finite domain. This alone would provide unlimited energy conversion from a very risky adventure into world between the so called electron and its nucleus. There are no worm holes but there is the possibility of collapsing the space between two points, one being the point of departure and the other the destination. Following light particles for aiming, the focused mode of excitation could convolute specified moments of space/time and distance. This is only one of my delusions that I hope has not take up too much of your time. But I have to admit reading your summation and point by point thesis on the non-existing black hole I just had to write and add my two cents. It has been a very strong conclusion of mine but with no where to commiserate it to or anyone with, other than my fellow crack pots. We prefer to discuss the sub components of gravity; the earth's core being an electric furnace excited by the earth's spin, off center rotation, atmospheric effects as they are excited by the solar winds. We (I feel) that together with the earths core being iron, it is a perfect electro crucible that will never cool as long as we have an atmosphere. I also believe that together with the moon acting as a stator of sorts, the earth must be signaling a radio broadcast that should scream its particular signature through out the cosmos. This may be a common signature for all atmospheric "living" worlds through out the cosmos. A molten core excited by a living atmosphere, excited by a solar wind close enough to a sun with other planetary companions that would cause a stator like effect to pulse its specific signature. JS --------------------------------------- FURTHER REFERENCES GO - "search perceptions" - in SEARCH-ENGINE file-ID www.perceptions.couk.com/uef/js.txt