Food for Thought

"Psyche Storms" page asked if other and more alien - non-protonic - kinds of life could exist, and if so, how they might interact with the material (protonic) animals such as ourselves.

Earth animal-life survives by `eating' complex carbon molecules (our own building blocks - and therefore our food) and propagates by using RNA / DNA to copy ourselves (transferring a pattern).

Intelligent earth-beings are capable of going beyond physical (protonic) limits by generation of electromagnetic brain oscillations that we call `thought'.

In fact we say that a human without the ability to think is a `vegetable'.

Speculation:-

In energy fields with a rhythm or frequency, areas of standing waves can arise and have a `life', however brief.

Given time, such patterns could extend that life by `feeding' on irregularities in the energy field, maybe even learning to perpetuate themselves.

Let's not forget, unlike our paltry few billion years, such life could have been developing since the very beginning of the Universe.

It follows that such beings could have as much, or much, much more - of the `intelligence' of any other life forms.

They would initially be `grazers' (or predators) of other patterns (irregularities) in the energy field, which, as we know, is how different kinds of intelligence developed here in material animals.

Thinking these ideas would be heavily criticized by `skeptics' or `debunkers', was surprised to find that more mundane physicists & biologists had already - perhaps unwittingly - theoretically allowed our hypothesis.

"Such patterns are likely to arise in any dynamical system with suitable features ... spatial extension, a particular type of oscillatory local dynamic, and coupling rules for how one region influences its neighbors.

These phenomena do not depend on detailed properties of the underlying setup, such as which chemicals you use or even whether you use chemicals at all. They depend on certain universals ... - spacial distribution; local oscillations; certain kinds of short range coupling.

They are independent of any underlying chaos; indeed, they are independent of a great many regularities as well."

p. 266 `The Collapse of Chaos'
Professor Jack Cohen & Professor Ian Stewart
ISBN 0-670-84983-9 (hc.)

Later found that James Jeans, an eminent physicist of an earlier generation, had theorised along similar lines :-

"Indeed it is easy to imagine beings in inter-galactic space, where matter is rare, endowed with electric senses in place of our material senses, who would regard photons as the primary constituent of reality, and matter as something outside the general course of nature."

`The New Background of Science' by Sir James Jeans 1945

Putting those facts / speculations together, you'll see that those energy pattern grazers (or predators) could readily adapt to graze or predate on the energy fields generated by humans (or others?)

Interestingly, such life-forms should logically be immune to the effects of `time' as we organic beings experience it.

`Logically' because a living pattern in a universal force could have as long a life as it might arrange. ^ref-1

One stage further - diet.

Which `brain-waves' would they prefer? And do they foster or force those sorts of activity?

Answer - think that would depend on their `tastes' -

- greedy, primitive ones could crave strong patterns, ie. fear, distress, pain, even `death agony';

- while more advanced ones might want harmonies, ie. `altruistic' `intellectual' or `inspiring' patterns of thought.

Later - have been informed that (some) advanced intellects want knowledge (rather than power, say), and that their greatest pleasure is in analysis of that knowledge (rather than physical use of power, say).

If all that's happening now, you might agree on which group seems to be controlling most of Earth's rulers -

- but

- is any group influencing the motives of us normal folk?

And what about Others?

UPDATE
2007
Report shows `science' trying to catch-up - with talk of "self-aware entity which arises due to random fluctuations".
Checked - and here's the Wiki-ref

Possibilities :- Inter-action? - Inter-visibility? - Precedence?

From `timeprob' and its links, we can see that a `force' or `field' entered - or was introduced into - the Real Universe some time before protonic matter could have existed.
Therefore there is no record available to us of how that quantum field, UEF, or `quintessence' came to be.
All that is visible to us is the fact that it made possible the formation of our kind of `matter', with its `mass' and `inertia'.
Whether that initial entry was a `big bang' or a `small spark' is also unknown.

From the amount of protonic matter in the Universe - about 5% of total - it might be presumed that it is relatively new to the Universe, especially if the asymmetry of space-time is continuing to create more protonic matter.

Later `timeprob' also infers that our kind of protonic matter is formed, held, and intermittently re-clenched by the field - maybe one billion³ times per second say - so humans can `see' protonic matter similarly held by the field.
But if older matter, perhaps of a more permanent nature exists, could we `see' it?
Or, as it presumably doesn't interact with electrons or other UEF phenomena, would it remain `dark' to we beings who have to rely, for visual and instrumental information, on the stimulus of photons, which are only complex reverberations in the quantum field (UEF) itself?

Energy entities - there seem to be two possibilities:-
That entities formed spontaneously as wave-patterns in the quantum (UEF) field - as outlined above. In which case we should be prepared for the fact they could've been evolving for about 15 billion years.
Alternatively, if there was already some form of `energy' in the pre-protonic Universe, there's an equal chance of energy entities - and those might be totally undetectable by us - having been around for many billions, maybe hundreds of billions of years.