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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:57:50 +0100
Subject: "Extra-terrestrial life `inevitable'"

Interesting to see how slowly the `scientific community' has come to grips with the facts - the possibly infinite size of the real universe (as opposed to the `visible universe'), the probable existence of methods of FTL inertial drive (i.e. incorporating impact avoidance) and the knowledge that viable solar systems have existed for billions of years before ours got `created' - so technology could exist which looks like `magic' to us.
Echonetdaily | World News | 10 hours ago | by The Echo
Extra-terrestrial life `inevitable'

Extra-terrestrial life could be discovered in the next 20 years, says US planetary scientist Dr Sara Seager.

Astronomers are standing on a `great threshold' of space exploration that could see evidence of extra-terrestrial life being discovered in the next 20 years, an expert claims.

Life beyond the Earth seems "inevitable" given the immensity of the universe, according to US planetary scientist Dr Sara Seager.

In the coming decades, chemical fingerprints of life written in the atmospheres of planets orbiting nearby stars could be found by the next generation of space telescopes.

Writing in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Dr Seager, from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), said: "We can say with certainty that, for the first time in human history, we are finally on the verge of being able to search for signs of life beyond our Solar System around the nearest hundreds of stars."

Astronomers now know that statistically, every star in our galaxy, the Milky Way, should have at least one planet, and small rocky worlds like the earth are common.

"Our own galaxy has 100 billion stars and our universe has upwards of 100 billion galaxies - making the chance for life elsewhere seem inevitable based on sheer probability," Dr Seager said.
(more at page ...)

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 20:10:22 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Siberian holes 'solved': Scientists offer explanation"

Ha!  The science establishment seems full of `experts', all claiming that a particular problem falls in their field of knowledge - and most are too stupid to even use logic (what you or I would call enhanced common-sense) before shouting their mouths off.    [It's all about funding you see.]

1) The fact that there is heaped debris _outside_ the rim of the holes is a pretty certain sign that something pushed that debris _out_ of the hole

2) There is methane impregnated matter (ancient vegetation) under _all_ permafrost areas in the northern hemisphere - Alaska, Canada, Scandinavia and Finland, Russia etc., and, as all those regions are peppered with similar sized small lakes (which are probably old `methane blowout holes'), then it's overwhelmingly likely that these `holes' are simply the most recent of thousands, maybe millions, which form when methane expansion - occuring every few hundred or thousand years or so - gets strong enough to `pop the cork' in a local area.
Mystery of the Siberian holes at the end of the world 'solved': Scientists offer explanation
"According to the website LiveScience, some experts now believe the strange cavities may be a type of permafrost sinkhole.

A sinkhole is a depression or hole in the ground caused by some form of collapse of the surface layer. A number of enormous sinkholes opening up in residential neighbourhoods in the US have recently been in the headlines.

Speaking to LiveScience, Vladimir Romanovsky, a geophysicist at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said in his view the sinkholes in Siberia were caused by water from melting permafrost or ice.

Romanovsky told LiveScience that somehow, rather than sucking collapsed material inside of them, these holes appear to have pushed material out. Images of the holes show loose dirt surrounding them almost as though an explosion had taken place.

"One actually erupted outside," he told LiveScience. "It's not even in the [scientific] literature. It's pretty new what we're dealing with," he added.
(more at page ...)

Date:Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:32:45 +0100
Subject: FWD - "MSM contempt for public's IQ

Elements of our mainstream media are clearly contemptuous of public intelligence.  Take this headline and article:
Just like the month that preceded it, June 2014 was the hottest of its kind in our planet's history.
According to data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), global land and ocean surface temperatures combined for an average of 61.2 degrees, making last month the hottest June ever. That figure exceeded the previous record in 1998 by 1.3 degrees.

Totally untrue - but they can _almost_ justify it by adding "since official records began" (which is less than one hundred years for most of Europe, the USA and rest of World).

Now look at some real scientific evidence for temperatures of the past - most of which has been much warmer than now:
"The study, by scientist Leif Kullman, analyzed 455 "radiocarbon-dated mega-fossils" in the Scandes mountains and found that tree lines for different species of trees were higher during the Roman and Medieval times than they are today.  Not only that, but the temperatures were higher as well."
"Given such findings, at least with respect to the southern region of Italy, it would appear that the relatively high temperatures of today are not unique.  In fact, they may well be somewhat lower than those that prevailed there during the Roman Warm Period.  And these findings suggest that the non-unique warmth of the current period need not be attributed to a unique phenomenon, such as the historical increase in the atmosphere's CO2 concentration that has resulted from mankind's burning of fossil fuels."

A look at ALL the checkable past for the whole world - at glacials.html - along with genuine research findings, shows that it's been _very_ much warmer than now for most of Earth's history.

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:58:00 +0100
Subject: FWD - "10,000 lettuce heads a day in LED-lit indoor farm

This might be useful in bad weather areas, or arid terrain  (it only uses 1% of the water a normal farm would need, and they grow 2.5 times faster)

"Japanese plant experts produce 10,000 lettuce heads a day in LED-lit indoor farm"

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 08:50:16 +0100
Two-Slit Experiment

Hello Kevin - no record of your first message.  The reason I can't answer you direct is that you sent your question on `Perceptions' `form-mail' which is ANONYMOUS (and your email address wasn't included in the message!).

Anyway - what is it you'd like to know?  I've still got the book I took those diagrams from (Emperors New Mind - Penrose) and would also recommend `Time, Space and Things' by B. K. Ridley (IIRC the first edition has an even better description of the full results of the `Two Slit Experiment').

However from what I've seen all other accounts of the experiment - including the popular "What the BLEEP ..." all omit some important results, without which a person can get the wrong idea about quantum actions (but it's easier for authors and film makers to skip those bits - they're a bit complicated and anti-intuitive).

Best regards

> Dear Ray, as you should know by now, for the second time in 4 years, I asked here yesterday - 08/07/2014 AU EST, for more definite info re the material presented here:

> I don't appreciate being snubbed and consider it indicative of a personal integrity issue.  Maybe there is a perfectly innocent explanation.  Either way, the above linked is something I want to get to the bottom of, so will persist with messages until either a useful response, or you take draconian action to block me from mailing here.
>Cheers, Kevin Nolan

Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 22:58:47 +0100
Subject: FWD - A dead `standard model'!

The journal Nature has a revealing piece about mainstream science's `planetary standard model' of "core accretion", which until recently they thought -
"explained why all the planets orbit the Sun in the same direction; why their orbits are almost perfectly circular and lie in or near the plane of the star's equator; why the four inner planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars) are comparatively small, dense bodies made mostly of rock and iron; and why the four outer planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune) are enormous, gaseous globes made mostly of hydrogen and helium."

"And because the same principles of physics and astronomy must apply throughout the Universe, it predicted that any system of 'exoplanets' around another star would look pretty much the same."

However when they lately began observing actual exoplanets -
"they looked nothing like those in our Solar System. Gas giants the size of Jupiter whipped around their stars in tiny orbits, where core accretion said gas giants were impossible. Other exoplanets traced out wildly elliptical orbits. Some looped around their stars' poles. Planetary systems, it seemed, could take any shape that did not violate the laws of physics."

Ha!  Have a feeling the other `standard models' (of particle physics and of cosmology) are going the same way; scientists can cling to them just now only because nobody can prove them wrong.
02 July 2014 - Astronomy: Planets in chaos
The discovery of thousands of star systems wildly different from our own has demolished ideas about how planets form. Astronomers are searching for a whole new theory. ---

Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:37:38 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Big earthquakes double in 2014, but scientists say they're not linked

Strange how such firm evidence for quake increases (which we've been discussing for a few years) is dismissed as "random", while in other areas (like "climate") some very shaky evidence (or none at all) is acclaimed as "conclusive" and a "consensus". - Ray
Big earthquakes double in 2014, but scientists say they're not linked
If you think there have been more earthquakes than usual this year, you're right. target="_blank" A new study finds there were more than twice as many big earthquakes in the first quarter of 2014 as compared with the average since 1979.

"We have recently experienced a period that has had one of the highest rates of great earthquakes ever recorded," said lead study author Tom Parsons, a research geophysicist with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) in Menlo Park, California.

But even though the global earthquake rate is on the rise, the number of quakes can still be explained by random chance, said Parsons and co-author Eric Geist, also a USGS researcher.  Their findings were published online June 21 in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:20:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Astronomers Still in the Twentieth Century

Right Roy - fully agree, [about "black holes"] for several reasons: theoretical and empirical.

However you might have noticed that so-called scientists, when caught in deception, have a habit of trying to "redefine" their way out.

[I.e - when the climate propaganda was at its height the scary label was AGW: anthropogenic (man-made) global warming / then, as temperatures failed to follow CO2 levels, the label became just "global warming" / now, as it's apparent that the Earth has resumed cooling, the label is "climate change" (they're pretty safe there - the climate is always changing, and always has been.]

So, as the more obvious reasons why "black holes" can't and don't exist became known to real, thinking scientists, the posers and bandwagon riders (starting with Hawking) began to "redefine" the putative phenomenon, now getting to the point that Hawking has had to admit that "black holes" were imaginary.

[But the media and less-informed `scientists' haven't caught on to the announcement that black holes don't exist.  Maybe check from Jan. 2014]

PS - think most `scientists' are dull bean-counters, desperate to glamourize their lives with scary doom-laden phenomena.

From: RoyM****
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:51 PM

> (NASA info)
> Researchers have just discovered a new trio of supermassive black holes in a galaxy 4.2 billion light years from Earth. Most galaxies have just one supermassive black hole.

> Wal Thornhill - The Electric Universe
> There are no neutron stars or black holes.
> Roy.

Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:24:20 +0100 Subject: FWD - "NASA to launch Carbon Observatory-2

Ha!  The propaganda-spinners are really remarkable.  By simple repetition (mostly of lies) in crap newspapers, crap radio/TV and even crappier movies, they can have a whole country or even hemisphere believing the unbelievable.  From "unamerican activities" to the "red menace" to the "yellow peril" to the (arab/persian) "axis of evil" it seems we'll believe it all and run around like headless chickens doing whatever the liars want.

The latest "enemy" is carbon / carbon dioxide.

For heaven's sake - we [and all of our animal and/or vegetable food] are _made_ of carbon, and all life on Earth depends on the presence of carbon dioxide (it keeps us from freezing into `Snowball Earth'); and if we can _increase_ CO2 then we can increase crop productivity (and forestry growth) even more.
[ Maybe check the real facts - at glacials.html#anci ]
June 24, 2014: In the lexicon of climate change, one word appears more often than any other: "carbon."
Carbon credits, carbon emissions, carbon sequestration... . These terms are on everyone's lips.
The reason is carbon dioxide (CO2).
NASA is about to launch a spacecraft to keep track of this greenhouse gas. The Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 is in final preparations for a July 1st launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.

Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:35:42 +0100
Subject: FWD - REALLY Ancient Worlds

I dread to think what level of technology a civilization might have after another 7 billion years or so (our own "technology" is barely 200 years old).
Ancient Worlds from Another Galaxy Discovered Next Door - JUNE 3, 2014
Based on the data collected, the planet Kapteyn b might support liquid water as its mass is at least five times that of Earth's and orbits the star every 48 days.  The second planet, Kapteyn c is a massive super-Earth in comparison: its year lasts for 121 days and astronomers think it's too cold to support liquid water.
Kapteyn's star was born in a dwarf galaxy absorbed and disrupted by the early Milky Way.  This galactic disruption event put the star in its fast halo orbit.  The likely remnant core of the original dwarf galaxy is Omega Centauri, an enigmatic globular cluster 16,000 light years from Earth which contains hundreds of thousands of similarly old suns.

This sets the most likely age of the planets at 11.5 billion years, which is 2.5 times older than Earth and 2 billion years younger than the universe itself (around 13.7 billion years).

"It does make you wonder what kind of life could have evolved on those planets over such a long time", Anglada-Escude said.

Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:17:10 +0100
Subject: FWD - Whales and Ice

Interesting - not so much for the dead whale in the painting, but for the fact that NO Media have been shouting about "thicker than usual artic pack ice".  Wonder why not?
"There were fears six weeks ago that the bloated carcass of a dead blue whale which washed up near the Newfoundland town of Trout River, swollen to twice its normal size, could explode.  It deflated naturally, but was followed a few weeks later by a second even larger dead whale at nearby Rocky Harbour.  Scientists believe both animals, from an endangered species, may have died trapped under thicker-than-usual Arctic pack ice."

Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:15:22 +0100
Subject: FWD - No Big Bang (or much older universe)

Ha!  We've earlier heard of similar (but much smaller) "impossible structures" - like the filaments and great walls.

So when are our incompetent `scientists' going to admit they've got it all wrong with their Big Bang cosmology model?  [I.e. the Universe is either (infinitely?) bigger than claimed, or (infinitely?) older - and maybe a combo of both] - Ray
The Biggest Thing In The Universe Is So Gigantic It Shouldn't Exist At All
Posted: 05/27/2014 12:30 pm EDT Updated: 05/29/2014 2:59 pm EDT

What's the biggest known structure in the universe?
Astronomers used to think it was a "filament" of galaxies known as the Sloan Great Wall. But recent research suggests a different structure is even bigger -- and its size has astronomers scratching their heads.
Feast your eyes on the Hercules-Corona Borealis Great Wall measuring around 10 billion light-years across. How big is that exactly? In miles that's a six followed by like 22 zeros. And if you're going at the speed of light, it would take you 10 billion years to get from one end to the other. Sheesh. So this just may be the largest and most massive structure in the observable universe - - and its very existence has left astronomers scratching their heads.

You see, this `great wall' is so massively ginormous that it shouldn't even exist, given the age of the universe. Astronomers just can't wrap their heads around the idea that an object that formed only a few billion years after the Big Bang could have grown so big.
The Hercules-Corona Borealis Great Wall (Her-CrB GW) is an immense superstructure of galaxies that measures more than 10 billion light-years across.[1][2] It is the largest and the most massive structure known in the observable universe.

This huge structure was discovered in November 2013 by a mapping of gamma-ray bursts that occur in the distant universe.[1][2][4] The astronomers used data from the Swift Gamma-Ray Burst Mission and the Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope.
Homogeneity problem
Prior to the discovery of the Hercules-Corona Borealis Great Wall, the largest scale at which the universe showed evidence of hierarchical structure was on the scale of superclusters and filaments. At larger scales, around 250-300 million light-years, no more fractal structuring is apparent; this was called the "End of Greatness".
However, in spite of this, some structures are discovered that exceed the scale consistently, such as:
The Clowes-Campusano LQG, discovered in 1991, is 630 Mpc across, and is marginally larger than the scale.
The Sloan Great Wall, discovered in 2003, has a length of 423 Mpc,[10] and is marginally larger than the scale too.
U1.11, another large quasar group discovered in 2011, is 780 Mpc across, and is two times larger than the scale.
The Huge-LQG (Huge Large Quasar Group), discovered in 2012, has a length of 1.24 Gpc, and is three times larger than the upper limit of the homogeneity scale.[11] However, the scale of the individual quasars of this structure does not have a chance correlation to each other, providing the evidence of the impossibility of this structure.[12]

The Hercules-Corona Borealis Great Wall is more than eight times larger than the scale,[4] and so greatly exceeds the homogeneity scale. In accordance with this, the structure would still be heterogeneous as compared to the other parts of the universe even at the scale of the "End of Greatness", thereby putting the cosmological principle into further doubt.

Evolutionary problem
The structure also poses a problem to the current models of the universe's evolution. A light travel distance of 10 billion light years means that we see the structure as it was 10 billion years ago, or roughly 3.8 billion years after the Big Bang. Current models of the universe's evolution, however, do not allow the said structure to form in just a mere 3 billion years. The structure is itself too big, and too complex, to exist so early in the universe. There is currently no existing model to explain the existence of the structure.

Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:33:40 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Climate Change: Where theorists and skeptics agree and disagree

Interesting - [have] collected data like this for a couple years or more and fully agree - what the AGW theorists forecasted is not happening. (Maybe check my note below article) - Ray
"... Skeptics disagree with AGW theorists over how sensitive the earth climate system is to increases in carbon dioxide (and other greenhouse gases). They contend earth's climate sensitivity is much less than the IPCC believes and, therefore, climate effects are much less than advertised.

Skeptics offer two types of evidence. The first is measured temperatures compared to IPCC model predictions. IPCC models forecast a much higher temperature rise than has been observed, especially after 1998.

The other evidence is extreme weather events.  The number of extreme hurricanes has been decreasing since 1880.  The number of violent tornadoes has been decreasing since 1954.  The number of wildfires per year has been decreasing since 1960.

The IPCC, in its newest AR5 report, says both droughts and hurricanes have not been affected at all by human-caused global warming and won't be until the end of this century.

There are as few or fewer state weather extreme records being set now than at any time since records have been kept, beginning in the 1880s.

The point being that the evidence for more extreme weather is not nearly as strong as portrayed by the media.

Each passing year without the earth's surface temperature increasing presents a bigger and bigger problem for the AGW theory.  The idea that climate sensitivity to CO2 is lower than the IPCC believes has validity in the data and should be studied more closely."
(more official data + official graphs at page ...)

Note: The logic of the full AGW claim - that humans affect the climate more than anything else - is just not substantiated by the evidence - see try-logic.txt

Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:30:42 +0100
Subject: "teleportation breakthrough that could prove Einstein wrong

Ha! This has been known - in principle - for over fifty years.  Just shows the power of the `status quo' over the minds of the majority.
Scientists achieve quantum teleportation breakthrough that could prove Einstein wrong
JAMES VINCENT | Friday 30 May 2014

Scientists in the Netherlands have achieved a breakthrough in quantum teleportation that could quash Albert Einstein's objection to the notion of quantum entanglement, which he famously labelled "spooky action at a distance".

Publishing their results in the journal Science this Thursday, physicists at the Kavli Institute of Nanoscience at Delft University say they managed to reliably teleport quantum information between two bits of diamond located three metres apart.

Although this is not the same process as teleportation as imagined in science fiction, one of the lead authors of the paper Professor Ronald Hanson, said that it was possible that Star Trek-style "beaming up" would become a reality in the future.

"What we are teleporting is the state of a particle,'' said Professor Hanson. ''If you believe we are nothing more than a collection of atoms strung together in a particular way, then in principle it should be possible to teleport ourselves from one place to another."

"In practice it's extremely unlikely, but to say it can never work is very dangerous. I would not rule it out because there's no fundamental law of physics preventing it. If it ever does happen it will be far in the future."

However, this is not to say that the discovery of Professor Hanson and his team won't have startling affects in the presence, with accurate teleportation of quantum information a key barrier towards quantum computers that would be exponentially more powerful than even today's supercomputers.

While regular computers store information in bits (signals which exist as only a 0 or a 1) quantum computing uses `qubits' which can hold multiple values at the same time. Getting these bits to communicate with one another as the physicists at Delft say they have could then be key to making an unhackable network of quantum computers.

"The main application of quantum teleportation is a quantum version of the internet, extending a global network that we can use to send quantum information," said Professor Hanson.

"What you're doing is using entanglement as your communication channel. The information is teleported to the other side, and there's no way anyone can intercept that information."

Einstein himself doubted the existence of quantum entanglement, a phenomenon in which particles as far away as opposite sides of the universe remain inextricably linked. Whatever happens to one particle simultaneously happens to the other - it's physic's version of the Voodoo doll.

Einstein's theory of General Relativity does not contradict quantum theory - but scientists have found it hard to create a theory in which the two co-exist.
With this comparison in mind it's perhaps not surprising that Einstein - and many other physicists with him - found it hard to believe in entanglement, which was predicted by the theories of quantum mechanics long before scientists had the technology to test it.

In a letter written in 1947 Einstein said he could not take quantum mechanics seriously because "physics should represent a reality in time and space, free from spooky actions at a distance."

The team at Delft's experiments show that we're getting better all the time at creating these "spooky actions", but their experiments will have to be duplicated over far greater distances to show that signals between entangled particles occur at the speed of light.

Still, this represents a major step forward for physics, with the quantum information (data about the spin state of an electron) transferred accurately in their tests 100 per cent at the time. This is a far better success rate than a previous experiment from the University of Maryland in 2009, which teleported quantum information only once every 100 million attempts.

In the Maryland experiments though, this one-in-a-100-million transfer rate still meant that a qubit of information took only 10 minutes to successfully transfer. This gives some indication of the staggering speeds that even a semi-functional quantum computer could achieve.

Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 09:58:15 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Huge 'Super Earth' planet ten times bigger than our own could be orbiting Sun

Well, well - think quoted note below this article says it all - Ray
Huge 'Super Earth' planet ten times bigger than our own could be orbiting Sun

A HUGE planet dubbed the "Super Earth", which is ten times bigger than our own, could be orbiting the Sun at the far edge of the solar system.

By: Dion DassanayakePublished: Thu, March 27, 2014 Scientists today revealed the massive planet may be located past the Kuiper Belt, a comet-rich area which is also home to dwarf planet Pluto.

The revelation comes after the most distant dwarf planet orbiting the sun, called the 2012 VP113, was discovered by astronomers.

A study published in journal Nature said the similarity in orbits of this new 280 mile wide dwarf planet and the Sedna dwarf planet points to an undiscovered "Super Earth".

Dr Linda Elkins-Tanton, of the Carnegie Institution in America, said: "This is an extraordinary result that redefines our understanding of our solar system."

The 2012 VP113 dwarf planet is located at the very edge of the solar system in a region called the Oort cloud.

It was discovered by researchers high up the Chilean Andes mountains using the new Dark Energy Camera (DECam).

Dr Sheppard said: "Some of these inner Oort cloud objects could rival the size of Mars or even Earth.

"This is because many of the inner Oort cloud objects are so distant even very large ones would be too faint to detect with current technology."

The 2012 VP113 dwarf planet lies 80 times further from the Sun than the Earth is.

Researchers in the Andes calculated that around 900 objects which have orbits like Sedna and 2012 VP113 could exist at the edge of the solar system.

The object would be larger in diameter than 1,000km (621 miles). Pluto is also classified as a dwarf planet and has a diameter of 2,302km (1.430 miles) ---

QUOTE [from here]
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:56:29 -0000
Subject: FWD - "some could even be bigger than Mars or the Earth"

Ha! Seem to recall a lot of denial (from `experts' - see of any planets further out - but now read "Some of these could be bigger than Pluto; some could even be bigger than Mars or the Earth". So much for science consensus - Ray

Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 18:44:34 +0100
Subject: FWD - Big Bang - the politics and fallacy

FWD: Right Roy (and George) - have collected some interesting stuff from brave folk who are (were - in the case of Tom V.F) standing up against the BigBang paradigm.
The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang - Tom Van Flandern (RIP)
UNIVERSE - The Cosmology Quest Parts 1 - 4
"This feature length presentation by Randall Meyers is a unique mixture of human interest and science documentary film. As the first comprehensive documentary to deal with major new approaches in non-big bang cosmologies, it reveals several deep-rooted theoretical and observational controversies. This is a fact, well hidden from university students and the general public, which is told with clarity and conviction: and potentially leading to the down-fall of the presiding Big Bang theory."
Discovery that quasars don't show time dilation mystifies astronomers (maybe NO BIG BANG - RD)
Model describes universe with no big bang, no beginning, and no end
Cosmos At Least 250x Bigger Than Visible Universe, Say Cosmologists

On Monday, May 12, 2014 2:26 AM, RoyM**** wrote:

>> The problem, Ray, is that the main core of astronomers just will not admit that the universe may be infinite. Just think about it. These astronomers would lose their status, their kudos, their Nobel Prize money, their huge salaries, were they to admit that what they talk about is not 'fact'. They have a vested interest in maintaining the peer group without change where they can shout that their claims represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. What absolute nonsense and a tissue of lies!
>> Roy

From: 'Ray D'
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:23 PM
>>> Thanks Roy - that's useful.
>>> The reality of the Universe's age and size may be very different to the present `standard model' / `big bang' paradigm.
>>> In fact some senior cosmologists / astrophysicists have gone on record admitting that the Universe could well be `infinite' in size +/or age.  Because when the peer group (`consensus') talk about the `big-bang horizon', all they really mean is that is as far as we can see at present.
>>> Ray

From: RoyM****
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:02 PM
>>>> Roy

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