Subject: Further - Re: Lies about * * * 3520155"
            Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:19:02 +0100
            From: [editor of "Perceptions"]
            To: INFO@BBC.CO.UK, Feedback <feedback@bbc.co.uk>,
            Information <info@bbc.co.uk>, "vlc@bbc.co.uk" <vlc@bbc.co.uk>,
            "Hardman, Jonathan" <jonathan.hardman@bbc.co.uk>,

            To:-
            Marcus Foreman
            Editorial & Investigation Team
            BBC Information

            An initial acknowledgment of your message has been sent.

            The "Perceptions" article (www.perceptions.couk.com/biglie.html)
            said that the BBC was knowingly deceiving the British public
            about 'Violence in Society'.

            Your message - specifically denying this in the name of the BBC
            I have classed as 'BBC disregard for truth, honesty and 
            accountability', thereby accusing you of "institutional
            dishonesty" - a charge which the BBC habitually ignores.

            However, on reading your message more closely I find that you
            are guilty of personal dishonesty - in other words you are a 
            liar.

            You lied on three counts:-

            1) Firstly you lied about the BBC's responsibilities and 
            qualifications.

            Any informed person or organization is in a position to doubt
            (or question) any statement made by the chairman of the Police
            Federation, or made by any person with vested interests.

            But you fatuously claimed that the BBC 'would not be in a
            position to doubt his statements'.

            This despite the fact that the BBC itself, using my own 
            conclusions (www.perceptions.couk.com/violence.html), made the
            program "The Violence File" which agreed with my facts and 
            with my logical inductions, one of which was that police and 
            government and media are motivated to lie about violence and 
            amplify reporting of violence to deceive the public.

            2) Secondly you lied, by implication, concerning the 
            qualifications of Mr. Broughton (or 'Brown' according to BBC 
            presenter). The Chairman of the Police Federation is a 'trade 
            representative' with no special professional qualifications or
            expertise concerning social statistics.

            Your statement would necessitate that Mr. Broughton be deemed
            correct on matters of social statistics. Why?  By virtue of
            his position as a 'trade representative'? Or by virtue of his
            position as a policeman?

            That lie was even more fatuous than the first.

            3) Thirdly, you lied when you wrote (see below) of 'BBC 
            impartiality' and of the 'terms of the Charter'. Many BBC
            presenters have been guilty of misleading the public by
            claiming that 'violence in society is on the increase'. Off
            the cuff I will name three - Jonathan Dimbleby, Peter Allen
            and Simon Tillotson - but there are many more (this message
            should be copied to their departments).

            All presenters who put forward that view are deceiving the 
            public - therefore the BBC is not impartial, or even
            truthful. And clearly you are not.

            [ I will not expand on BBC dishonesty in other fields, 
              other than recommend that readers have a look at 
              www.perceptions.couk.com/manip.html ]

            I have informed the BBC of the facts and of the logical
            conclusions to be drawn from BBC statements. It is not 
            worthwhile continuing a correspondence with a deceitful
            organization, or with people willing to lie to deflect
            truthful criticism.

            Ray Dickenson

            [ "Perceptions" address ]

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> INFO@BBC.CO.UK wrote:
>
> The BBC is very careful to ensure standards of
> impartiality are maintained.  Under the terms of its
> Charter, the BBC is explicitly forbidden from 
> broadcasting its own opinions on current affairs or 
> matters of public policy.


> As a contributor to a discussion on a programme, Mr 
> Broughton is perfectly entitled to make points that he
> feels are salient to his position and, as chairman of 
> the Police Federation, we would not be in a position to
> doubt his statements on crime.


> Accordingly, we will not be issuing a correction as we
> do not believe one is necessary.


> > Yours sincerely
> >
> > Marcus Foreman
> > Editorial & Investigation Team
> > BBC Information

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