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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:44:07 -0000
Subject: FWD - Richard Dolan's interviews with Dark J...

Some of you have recommended Richard Dolan's presentations before - just found these latest two and am now starting on Pt 2.

In part 1 there was some stuff we knew a bit about and also more that we didn't - and some exceptional stuff (especially about `remote viewing') that made me sit up.
Dark Journalist: Richard Dolan: UFOs & The Breakaway Civilization
Dark Journalist & Richard Dolan: Strange UFO Encounters & Intelligence Connections

From: Jason Gammon
>Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>John doesn't know it but he is now immortal. He has merged with a machine intelligence, a "blank"-type of seed A.I. that has grown to become John. Johns memories and record of thought patterns, everything that makes John who he is, is uploaded to a machine intelligence that is say, orbiting the planet. When John dies here on this planet he will simply 'wake up' in another body aboard a craft, itself being a part of this machine intelligence.
>See the thing with humans is they confuse the body for being who they are. Your body is a mere garment, a costume. Your body is nothing more than a vessel. It's time humans put emphasis on what is really important, the mind, the soul, the essence of a person and not the mask they are wearing to interact with this world.

Hi Jason,
While I agree with your assessments of the human situation, there are three difficulties with the mechanics of your ambition:

i) John is, at any one moment, a total collection of his past memories, sensations and opinions etc.  Ten minutes later John is a different person, because he has more, maybe different additional memories of sensations and opinions etc.  Therefore any `immortal' John is merely a machine with a kernel of a snapshot of `old John' at a moment of time.

ii) those transitions (`uploading' or `dying') have been considered by many scientists (and sci-fi writers).  In line with quantum theory any copying or tele-portation will mean the destruction of the original.  So John #1 will experience real death and nothing more, while John #2 will wake-up `as-new' but equipped with a kernel of John #1 at a past moment in time.  As Roger Penrose asked - "who's going to volunteer to be John #1?"

iii) the mind and body are more intricately inter-linked than we usually realize.  Recall how your mood / optimism / views are entirely different after a good meal?  Or after physical exercise, danger or sex for that matter?

Ray D

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 03:52:17 -0000
Subject: Myth or ETH or Trickster?

Hello List,
Last night was watching a few snippets of You Tube presentations & radio-chats on subjects like Lost Civilizations, Ancient Technology etc, and then Ancient Astronauts etc., which left me mixed-up.  The overall impression of all the data - like after reading the entire contents of several newspapers - was a bit incoherent.

Later, reading myself to sleep, thoughts wandered to linked area of legends, mythology and oral history - best covered (for me) by Andrew Lang's `Myth Ritual & Religion' and `Hamlet's Mill: An Essay on Myth and the Frame of Time' by Giorgio De Santillana & Hertha von Dechend.  [They're both worth reading and available free on-line (although you might have to search a bit for vol II of `Myth Ritual & Religion)]

One might expect that whole area to be similarly `incoherent' yet it seems one can divide the content of myths & legends into two very different types:

firstly there's `natural' weirdities like giants, ogres, witches (male & female), plus those `gods' (pantheonic) which have human traits and can interbreed with humans, and all sorts of animal freaks (unicorns & rocs);

then there's the `super-natural' pre-pantheonic entities or forces which have no human traits or weaknesses and are implacably alien (although many traditions describe them as `fearful').

Some examples of type I are the Greek and Roman pantheons of `gods' and `demi-gods', plus the creation myths of native peoples around the world, including the West.

An example of type II might be the Green Man legend (green-man-search.html), found in different societies around the world and often adopted into (and revered by) later cultures and religions while retaining an aura of cold and unknowable non-humanity.

That clear contrast, plus the videos I'd been watching, gave an impetus (just before falling asleep) to make an examination of the `Alien Rulers hypotheses' (a la Charles Fort and many others) with prospects of perhaps two solutions:

i) that all our myths and legends of gods, heroes (and hero-animals) are based on human-type people and their doings in the distant past - elaborated and amplified by the passage of time (lost civilizations etc.) and by the relaying from culture to culture (maybe exampled by inner-earth and ultra-terrestrial theories to explain the UFO phenomenom, and/or by a Morlock/Eloi split in the humanoid family - see authority4.html);
ii) that, as Fort suggested, the Earth has been visited by various (perhaps many) different `alien' races with vastly higher technological abilities than ours, and that there's been competition among them for `ownership' of Earth (either of its people and animal life or just of basic resources), and that one of these groups now has domination (see authority.html#ancient).

Even so there's a further question or dichotomy:
Are the putative ETs organic (or robotic) or energy-pattern based?

That was partially addressed at:
(responses to Larry Hatch and Mary Chapman)

n.b. sites' updates have changed the quoted URLs into

Maybe could be inclined, along with Vallee and Hynek (apparently) to go along with the energy-pattern `trickster' hypothesis - it would certainly explain a great deal that at present is unexplainable and a stumbling-block to Ufologists.
But if it's true then remember the caveat - that it "could be affecting everybody - everywhere".

Ray D

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:57:23 +0100
Subject: Have we found a Dyson Sphere?

Well, well.  Just read about a `lonely planet' floating without a star - and it's much bigger than Jupiter (which itself is almost big enough to become a small star able to radiate light and heat) - and this `lonely planet' actually radiates mostly in the infra-red.

Well, a long time ago Freeman Dyson said that's one way we could detect stars that had been `contained' for energy-use purposes, by alien civilizations!

Ray D

ScienceWorld Report
Astronomers have discovered a strange free-floating planet dubbed PSO J318.5-22 that is 80 light years away from the Earth and has a mass that is six times more than Jupiter. The star hosts no stars. It came into existence some 12 million years ago, which is like a newborn in planet lifetime. The astronomers identified the strange lonely planet from its faint and exclusive heat signature as it didn't match the objects surrounding it. It was identified with the help of a survey telescope Pan-STARRS1 (PS1) that is located on Haleakala, Maui.
This is not the first time that astronomers have spotted such free floating objects. But it was unclear till date whether these free floating objects were failed stars or orphaned planets. But this finding confirms that they are indeed planets. The light coming from PSO J318.5-22 is nearly 100 billion times fainter in optical wavelengths compared to the planet Venus. Most of the planet's energy is emitted in infrared wavelengths, NBCNews reports.
In 1960 Dyson wrote a short paper for the journal Science, entitled "Search for Artificial Stellar Sources of Infrared Radiation".[32] In it, he theorized that a technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization might completely surround its native star with artificial structures in order to maximize the capture of the star's available energy. Eventually, the civilization would completely enclose the star, intercepting electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths from visible light downwards and radiating waste heat outwards as infrared radiation. Therefore, one method of searching for extraterrestrial civilizations would be to look for large objects radiating in the infrared range of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 10:41:26 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Satan is an Algorithm"?

"Satan is an Algorithm"

Yup, that's a shocking title; perhaps upsetting for `devil-worshippers' - [though suspect most of those are relatively harmless politicos, bankers, bureaucrats, high court judges and perhaps some senior police-chiefs who like dressing-up (and undressing) - à la Dennis Wheatley] - so maybe an explanation might calm our nerves.

"Satan is an Algorithm" is the shortest, most truthful encapsulation of an idea which recently popped-up, after years of intermittent and desultory reading and even the occasional cogitation, on a couple of complex questions we find, not in fusty-dusty theological tomes but in leading-edge science discussions (although you'll also find them mentioned in theology, and, more interestingly for me, in the historical and mythological archives of ancient civilizations).

Number one is `The Free Will Problem' and the second is closely linked - `The Question of Evil'.  I.e. do they exist?


In our busy humdrum lives we don't think about either, probably because we readily assume `free will' exists (the alternative would hurt our self-esteem) and similarly we're also keen to see and label as `evil' the things that (other) people do.

However, you might be surprised to know that today's top scientists and modern philosophers really worry about those questions and that's perhaps blocking progress.

Because classical physics, the `Newtonian' calculations used by NASA and most working engineers and scientists, is `deterministic'.  I.e. "If you know the present (precisely) then you can calculate the future (precisely)".  Which would mean: no free will, and to some people, calls into question `human intentions' and `evil'.

Most of today's scientists were educated and trained as determinist Newtonian thinkers, and probably retain all the associated assumptions.  So determinist science has to say free will does not exist; the future is determined by the present, which was determined by the past - no free will: the Universe is governed by `rules'.

Weirdly, if you look back through history, especially ancient classical history, and the associated mythologies of all peoples, you'll find that all gods and devils, angels and cherubim, nymphs and satyrs, imps and goblins - no matter whether they're supposed to be malign or benevolent - are also governed by rigid `rules', always eventually having to play out their roles.

[But maybe not the djinn; they seem linked with humans and so are extra-tricky, maybe like some aspects of `ghostly' phenomena, i.e. poltergeists.]


So now we come to humans, and indeed all plants and animals on Earth - which DO NOT seem to obey the rigid rules of classical science.

For a start, "entropy" should always increase, in the view of determinist scientists (causing waste heat / energy and increased `disorder'), obeying the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.  But entropy does not seem to affect Life or its development.  That is, a seed or an ovum will grow into a complex entity which becomes more and more `ordered' in form and function.  That's also true for entire species or types of Life - they develop over time either to suit individual niches or, for the more successful types, to cope with many different conditions.  They all become more ordered in their complexity.

The secret of Life's independence from rules seems to lie in the Quantum domain - we've only recently found how plants achieve their `impossible' photo-synthesis efficiency of nearly 100%, and we're still investigating similarly `impossible' abilities (of navigation, communal decision-making etc.) in insects like ants and bees.

They're now all - plants, insects etc. - thought to tap the `quantum field' to perform a large (maybe infinite) number of calculations in a single instant - just as a quantum computer is expected to act.

And it looks like our human consciousness (and the linked free will) is also a quantum talent - that is, the human brain seems to have access to the quantum field to enable conscious decisions, and many more unconscious choices, in a single instant.

[Some folk think the brain's quantum access might explain many paranormal phenomena reported over the centuries.]


To describe this conflict - the rule-following of classical science governing inanimate matter and energy-processes, versus the independence and free-will of living things - let's look to the fairly mainstream vocabulary of science, mathematics and philosophy. And there we find that a rule-following process - no matter how complex and apparently `alive' or `knowing' - is called an ALGORITHM.

[Stephen Wolfram has (IIRC) demonstrated that many `natural' - but inanimate - phenomena, like clouds, are extremely complicated and so, although they are in fact generated by `algorithms' of chemical and physical actions and reactions, the working-out or computing of those repeated algorithms can't be abbreviated into a shorter formula.  So you just have to let nature do the computing.]

Maybe this is why the legends say `You can't make a pact with the Devil' - because Satan is an Algorithm?


Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:20:13 +0100
Subject: Gullible Sceptics

Hello List

Have to beat this drum again, because recent posts show that some gullible folk are still repeating the MSM mantra that "there's no firm evidence of anomalies or sightings of anomalous activity".

I'm willing to pass over or even discount all the ancient historic reports, because such folk would say "They spoke a language of metaphors in those days, and most are probably hear-say myths anyway".

There are many reports from more recent times when well educated folk were already doubting superstition (including religion), yet still they saw things they couldn't explain.

Here's one from Casanova, in the mid 1700s (his memoirs are adjudged "the most authentic sources of the customs and norms of European social life during the 18th century").  At the time he was rather broke and so walked overnight from Castel-Nuovo to Rome (maybe 15+ miles on the Via Flaminia).

Quotation begins:
"I must not forget to mention here a rather peculiar circumstance, which, however ridiculous it may be in reality, will please many of my readers.  An hour after I had left Castel-Nuovo, the atmosphere being calm and the sky clear, I perceived on my right, and within ten paces of me, a pyramidal flame about two feet long and four or five feet above the ground.  This apparition surprised me, because it seemed to accompany me.

Anxious to examine it, I endeavoured to get nearer to it, but the more I advanced towards it the further it went from me.  It would stop when I stood still, and when the road along which I was travelling happened to be lined with trees, I no longer saw it, but it was sure to reappear as soon as I reached a portion of the road without trees.

I several times retraced my steps purposely, but, every time I did so, the flame disappeared, and would not shew itself again until I proceeded towards Rome.  This extraordinary beacon left me when daylight chased darkness from the sky. ...

I must candidly confess that, although somewhat versed in physics, the sight of that small meteor gave me singular ideas.  But I was prudent enough not to mention the circumstance to any one."
End of quotation

Full extract and references at casanova-sighting.txt

And an even more informative sightings report was made in 1883 by Jose Arbol y Bonilla, Director of the Observatory of Zacatecas, Mexico, of what happened when he was attempting to record sunspots.

Quotation begins:
"On August 12, 1883, at 08:00 am, I began to draw sunspots when I suddenly saw a small light entering the field of the lens, seen on the paper that I used to reproduce sunspots, and, crossing the solar-disc, it then looked like a shadow almost circular.

I had not recovered from my amazement when the same phenomenon was reproduced again, and then again, so often that in a space of two hours I could count up to 283 bodies across the solar disk."
End of quotation

Full report and references (and a photo) at bonilla.html

Those reports are from a time when there were no UFO cults and so no motivation - financial or otherwise - to make-up such stories. Most importantly there was no effective Government censorship of science.

Samples of other sighting reports from scientists and other educated observers are at fortre1883.html - which also has links to more extensive data.

BTW - think that Casanova translation was done around the Victorian era or earlier - the word "show" (in a past tense) is written as `shew'.

Ray D

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 19:30:59 +0100
Subject: FWD - Thug Science - the suppression of Immanuel Velikovsky

Nice little video, a bit dated but it said things that modern science is afraid to, and would much rather forget:

Immanuel Velikovsky - Bonds of the Past - CBC Documentary 1972
after 11 mins in, a prof tells some truth about mainstream academia in the last few decades - of the `professionalization and rigidification' of (Gov't controlled) science, and that's even more true today, in 2013.

BTW if you watch further you'll see that many of Velikovsky's predictions - e.g. about the temperature of Venus, its real `day-length' and `year-length', unknown at the time - have since been proved to be true, along with others about Jupiter and the Moon.

A good modern review of the Velikovsky controversy is at

It's from a great iconoclastic book by James P. Hogan - `Kicking The Sacred Cow' - 2004

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:24:36 +0100
Subject: Thug Science (re: Velikovsky)

Yup, and all those mainstream scientists including Sagan and others badmouthing Velikovsky, were claiming that Earth's history was `uniformitarian' - more or less unchanging in the past (i.e. no major impacts).

For about ten years I've been collecting snippets on a recent big impact and mainstream opinion has completely turned around in that time, from denial to acceptance.
Quote - `Scientists will outline dramatic evidence this week that suggests a comet exploded over the Earth nearly 13,000 years ago, creating a hail of fireballs that set fire to most of the northern hemisphere.'

Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:13:28 +0100
Subject: Re: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

>From: Stanton T. Friedman
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:24:30 -0300
>Subject: Re: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

>>From: William Treurniet
>>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:28:33 -0400
>>Subject: Re: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

>>>From: Ray Dickenson
>>>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:04:54 +0100
>>>Subject: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

>>>for a more rational assessment by astronomers. I.e that a really advanced civilization would think of us as lower than insects, more like bacteria.
>>An advanced civilization should see all life as precious, including insects and bacteria. One could say that is the definition of "advanced civilization".
>Rational? How absurd! Insects and bacteria cannot build nuclear weapons. We have exploded 2000. The biggest one released the energy of 50 Million tons of dynamite. <snip>

Hello William and Stanton, I understand your pained sensibilities and am not stating a personal opinion, only the presented evidence to date.

In fact a personal opinion is difficult to state - or even form, as, over recent years accumulating evidence has forced many folk to make reappraisals.

I think there's three main areas:

1) Martyn Stubbs' disclosure of NASA films have shown that there are extra-ordinarily large entities (maybe not engineered, non-biological craft) visiting the Earth's atmosphere daily, seemingly attended by small super-fast `probes' or even `scouts' capable of interacting with human technology.

2) Research by Jacques Vallee et al seems to show that UFO/ET phenomena have existed for centuries, and that a proportion of such events are of a non-physical, highly subjective nature.

3) There are traces of several anomalous processes in our own past, maybe extending into the present:

First the world-wide `legend' of four previous races of humans, dating from a pre-historic period when historians say world-wide communication was `impossible'.

Second the proven (but fearfully ignored) existence of humans (or humanoids) with two or three times our brain capacity - the so-called `long-headed' rulers, whose impossibly large skulls can be found around the world (as can the rather distorted skulls of ordinary humans whose parents have apparently tried to imitate the long-heads by manipulating or binding their babies' skulls).

Third the unaccountable fact that some of the earliest civilizations, where `long-heads' were visible, seem to have had strangely developed attributes:

I.e. early Egypt had superb architectural skills which they lost over subsequent millennia, and even the British Museum commented that "Egyptian writing ... appears to come into use almost `ready-made'".  N.b. `long-heads' are seen in New Kingdom skulls; Akhenaten and others, plus (significantly) Nefertiti who was apparently _not_ an Egyptian.

While Sumer, the shadowy and almost unknown founder or predecessor of what would become Babylonia, had anomalous metal-working skills and a mathematical system ideal for timekeeping and astronomy (so good we still use it - i.e. base 60).  Weirdly their earliest imagery seem to be an `ET Cult' of reptilian long-headed rulers.

Other `long-head' skulls are found from Siberia to the Mediterranean (Malta's long-heads were/are hidden by scientists), to the Americas - again dated to periods when world-wide communication is deemed `impossible'.

It's no good trying to compartmentalize those facts away from consideration.  Every scientific discovery from the Ionians onwards has shown that Earth and humanity are less important than we thought.

So it seems the situation isn't as neat as we might like.

Ray D

Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 02:43:55 +0800
Subject: FWD - The Truth about TED (they don't like the truth too much)

Ha!  Another [really] inconvenient truth has been banned by TED: Nick Hanauer

and here's some more:
TEDxBrussels - Jacques Vallee - A Theory of Everything (else)..
Rupert Sheldrake - The Science Delusion BANNED TED TALK

Rupert's talk was banned outright, and Jacques' only got published because that event was organized independently of TED

So it seems that the truth about TED is they only want fashionable [corporate-approved] ideas?

PS - serendipity at work: Jacques refers to the `sylph' and his explanation of how the universe works (re-created every moment) -
well, some years ago I'd been independently thinking about basic facts and came to an `unbelievable' conclusion:  see timeprob page -
which only later I found to have also troubled Einstein in his final years:  i.e. he wrote: "I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field concept, i.e., on continuous structures" -
which agrees with our idea (and Vallee's sylph); see blinded page for Einstein's letter and its attribution.  Now that would certainly be banned by TED.

Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:37:31 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Ancient Killer of Ancient Kings

We've most of us seen the evidence of several ancient civilizations which seemed to appear `fully-fledged' in writing or script or mathematics or architecture (it's been noticed that Sumer (and Egypt) had advanced (but different) use of binary systems*1 in their math), and even the British Museum has remarked on this re Egyptian hieroglyphs.*2

And a bit of research will show that, amazingly, there is an identical legend existing world-wide which dates from a pre-historic time when the different continents and their resident "primitive" ethnic groups were supposedly isolated from each other by `impassable' geographical obstacles of oceans, mountains or deserts.  I.e - the `legend' of Four Great Ages of earlier humans - which is found on every continent, even among peoples with no written history.*3

Had idly thought about these mysteries without reaching a firm conclusion, but while listening to the 6:00 am news today (stories of corruption charges in China and evil bankers elsewhere), I suddenly realized there was an even more compelling world-wide linkage which is totally unexplainable - unless there have been much earlier and much longer periods of human civilization complete with writings and histories but which have been completely lost and forgotten.

That mysterious linkage is the early world-wide `ban' on usury of any kind.*4  The reason given by our history books is a purely superstitious one - that it was a `sin'.  But how can that be?  We can see easily enough that other `sins' (theft, murder, incest, etc) would be recognizable by their almost immediate [negative] effects on the gene-pool - which is why they are all criminal offences today.  But modern science doesn't say anything about the effects of living off interest* (i.e. usury), and it has become common in the West (although Islam still formally forbids it).

However, had already studied many dynastic kingdoms and empires, finding that the privilege of subsequent generations (not the fighting or working for conquest of the originators) has a fatal effect - increasing mental incompetence, physical degeneration by congenital diseases (some are of the brain) and a general tendency to `ugliness' - both physiological and in temperament.*5  That, plus elite education methods, is due to and further results in the rulers choosing mates only from `royal' or `aristocratic' families (or their own siblings in the case of the later dynastic Egyptians).  That inbreeding is eventually lethal.*6  Which is why, of all the thousands of Emperors or Kings of written history, none but the most recent survive - and they're not kindly folk, or pretty.*7

It's fairly clear (to me) that usury has exactly the same effects as `rulers privilege' - only maybe taking a longer period.  Which is why, for usury to be recognized as genetically harmful and for it to be banned, there must have been many thousands of years of accumulated record-keeping and genealogical research beforehand, which hasn't yet been duplicated by modern science even today.


[* when you or me _invest_ our hard-earned cash in a bank or shares/bonds, we have to do two things: - i) think about it; ii) accept risk, equally with everyone else.  Usurers don't do that - they use the power of the State and Law to guarantee high rates of return for zero work - i.e. no thought / no risk.]

Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:07:02 +0100
Subject: Video Intros to Jacques Vallee

Hello List
recently recommended a short `course' of four videos to folk wanting to know about Jacques Vallée's investigative journey - and the feedback has been good so here they are for List-folk:
RAP - Extraterrestrial hypothesis vs Jacques Vallée
(10 mins)
TEDxBrussels - Jacques Vallee - A Theory of Everything (else)...
(16 mins)
Jacques Vallee - Implications of UFO Phenomena
(28 mins)
Jacques Vallee and the UFO Phenomenon
(radio interview 1 hr 41 mins)

Was particularly thanked for the first recommend - it's a part of MR SIFF's Camper Killer Commentary series, and I think `Mr Siff' has hit on a nice trick to engage the interest of younger (short attention-span?) viewers.

Ray D

Date: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:04:28 +0100
Subject: Re: FWD - "Interview with Gordon Creighton

Right Boris, was quite impressed by his down-to-earth approach to the subjects covered.
While I've always had an interest in the physics, for a long time discounted any more contentious stuff, like close encounters / abductions etc - seemed a bit flaky.  But it seems that the flakiness is an after-effect of something strange happening.
Creighton was able to stand back and look at the complete picture without bias and come to interesting conclusions, and when he mentioned the possibility / probability of interference / intervention with human evolution, then I realized I'd read more or less the same opinion from a few other people I've respected.

From: Boris
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:55:45 -0300

Well, we may be witnessing the awakening of our academia to facts that have always been believed and rejected because of hubris. At last...

From: "Ray D"
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:48:10 +0100

>> Interesting. Had heard of Creighton before but didn't know his background.
>> In this short interview he makes some sensible points and comes to at least one conclusion (re: possible genetic changes in early humans) which I've found before from eminent figures -
>> like A R Wallace, who said "if we are not the highest intelligences in the universe, some higher intelligence may have directed the process by which the human race was developed, by means of more subtle agencies than we are acquainted with"

>> An interview with Gordon Creighton (11 mins)

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:20:17 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Spinning Statuette" (Egyptian)

Interesting - (it's the far-end statuette - the taller, darker one) - and whatever's driving the effect seems to need the presence of people (or even daylight) or maybe of traffic vibrations from outside - although the curator said it's only recently started doing this - Ray
Spinning Statuette
Published on Jun 20, 2013
Time Lapse footage of Manchester Museums Spinning Statuette, taken over a week long period.

see report at

Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:46:59 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Aliens: The Ultimate Them and Us"

Discussion: "Aliens: The Ultimate Them and Us" - 45 mins

Think I heard it when first recorded, and it seemed to be ideas we've mostly already heard of - but have just listened again (as it'll drop off the list this year sometime) and they _did_ (nervously) briefly consider a couple or three things at around 38 / 39 mins - like:
"are we just too stupid to realize anything about the universe",
"aliens are here already etc."
"could we be living in a `zoo' or even a sort-of quarantine or simulation"
BTW - think the Vatican also recently had a science conference on the same subjects, including the `Are they here already - just unrecognized' question.

Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:31:20 +0100
Subject: Re: Deathbed testimony about UFOs given by former CIA official

Thanks Mark - watched the (full screen Vimeo version) interview again - a bit shocking although most of it was suspected already, especially the position of Eisenhower vs. the Secret Org folk.

[Yup - that Blue Book was a farce, the cases passed to the CIA were kept secret - the rest were summarily dissed, regardless of the facts, and the official `Blue Book expert' - Hynek - wasn't even told of many of them.]

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark ******

`Deathbed testimony' about UFOs given by former CIA official (VIDEO)

Video testimony by an anonymous alleged former CIA official was shown at the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on Friday, May 3.

UFO author and historian Richard Dolan interviewed `Anonymous' on March 5, 2013. Facing impending kidney failure, this individual felt compelled to disclose secret information he feels is too important to keep secret. In the video, he claims to have served in the U.S. Army, worked for the CIA, and worked on the U.S. Air Force's Project Blue Book - one of the USAF's official studies of UFOs.  And he refers to the project as `partially a fraud'.  Asking for clarification, Dolan states, "You're saying some of the Blue Book cases were completely fictitious?"  The anonymous man responds, "Yes".

Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 22:32:17 +0100
Subject: Re: Sheldrake on the TED controversy

Thanks Mark - will be interested to see if the Dawkinsites' militant censoring of Wikipedia is allowed to succeed or if the fight-back gets rough.  Interesting indeed - Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark ******
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: Sheldrake on the TED controversy

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