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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:53:45 +0100
Subject: FWD - More on the TED Censorship - versus Sheldrake and Hancock Controversy

More on the TED Censorship - versus Sheldrake and Hancock Controversy
It's at:
and the `comments' are worth reading, even if you don't agree with all of them.

And here's a repeat of TEDs "justifications":

They laid out guidelines to be able to spot the differences between good and bad science.  For example, examples of good science are that it "does not fly in the face of the broad existing body of scientific knowledge" and "It has been published in a peer reviewed journal".  Examples of bad science are that it "Has failed to convince many mainstream scientists of its truth", "Comes from overconfident fringe experts" or if it "Speaks dismissively of mainstream science."

Ha!  If the TED `experts' had any real knowledge they would be aware that someone like Galileo (for instance) would fail each and every one of those tests of "good/bad science" - yet Galileo was right every time!


[For non-historians:  Galileo was quite opinionated, maybe even arrogant, and extremely dismissive of `mainstream science' (his `Dialogue', which so angered the Inquisition, had a character named Simplicio - stupid - representing the mainstream).  His later discoveries were denied by most, maybe due to fear of the Vatican; indeed only Copernicus' few followers in Germany were even part-qualified to judge some of Galileo's opinions.]

[BTW - here's that Sheldrake Talk]

Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:55:54 +0100
Subject: FWD - Desert Varnish + "Life On Earth - Not As We Know It

Hi - Here's some extracts from a piece in the UK's Guardian, titled:
Life On Earth - Not As We Know It.


Professor Carol Cleland ...believes desert varnish could be the manifestation of an alternative, invisible biological world.
"On Earth we may be co-inhabiting with microbial lifeforms that have a completely different biochemistry from the one shared by life as we currently know it."
Other astrobiologists have also proposed ideas along these lines. They include Chris McKay, who is based at Nasa's Ames Research Centre, California, and Paul Davies, who put forward his vision of this alternative living zone in a paper in Astrobiology in 2005.

These researchers believe life may exist in more than one form on Earth: standard life like ours "weird life", as they term the conjectured inhabitants of the shadow biosphere. "All the micro-organisms we have detected on Earth to date have had a biology like our own: proteins made up of a maximum of 20 amino acids and a DNA genetic code made out of only four chemical bases: adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine," says Cleland. "Yet there are up to 100 amino acids in nature and at least a dozen bases. These could easily have combined in the remote past to create lifeforms with a very different biochemistry to our own. More to the point, some may still exist in corners of the planet."

Science's failure to date to spot this weird life may seem puzzling. The natural history of our planet has been scrupulously studied and analysed by scientists, so how could a whole new type of life, albeit a microbial one, have been missed? Cleland has an answer. The methods we use to detect micro-organisms today are based entirely on our own biochemistry and are therefore incapable of spotting shadow microbes, she argues. A sample of weird microbial life would simply not trigger responses to biochemists' probes and would end up being thrown out with the rubbish.

That is why unexplained phenomena like desert varnish are important

And when thinking of outer space then talk of Boltzmann brains [Wiki] raises even weirder speculations (internal page) - as the Vatican seems to think -


"The Academy conference will include presentations from scientists - by no means all of them Christians - on the discovery of planets outside our solar system, the geological record of early life on Earth, how life might have started on Earth, and whether `alien' life of a different biochemistry to our own might exist here without our knowing, among many other things."
End Quote


Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:01:14 +0100
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to TED

Thanks Mark - that's a good read.  I hadn't realized that TED is merely commercial - no wonder they want to censor stuff, commercial agencies always do:  "Don't scare the horses".

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark *****
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 9:21 PM
Subject: An Open Letter to TED

Ken Jordan, Publisher & Editorial Director, Evolver/Reality Sandwich, has written an open letter to TED's Chris Anderson in an attempt to get the TED organization to stop squirming around for a minute and talk about the real issues at stake in their decision to cordon off large swaths of scientific inquiry:

Date:Thu, 18 Apr 2013 00:44:33 +0100
Subject: FWD - David Irving and Scott Ritter

Amazing - I'd believed all the MSM propaganda about David Irving - now here he is speaking very rationally in the USA about lots of things (inc. wartime Nazi Germany and Hitler) but what was really surprising was the Q&A at the end and the revelations about Scott Ritter and plans to invade Iran [for its OIL?] etc. - Ray

The British Historian David Irving, speaking on "The Faking of Adolf Hitler for History" identifies some of the many FRAUDULENT historical documents that have been quoted AND referred to over the many years by "conformist historians" of the Third Reich era.

Even many of Mr. Irving's opponents DO admit.., that Mr. Irving's knowledge of Hitler and wartime Germany in unrivaled !! Mr. Irving is the author of numerous books on this era of history.., many of them having been "best sellers".., including his monumental work (3 volumes in one book!).., titled "Hitler's War"...

Date:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:56:10 +0100
Subject: I-O-T and Amazons (+ Gorgons)

Interesting.  Next week the `In Our Time' program is due to discuss the Amazons:  "the female warriors of classical mythology" said Melvyn Bragg, who acts as lay-chairman of a group of academic experts chosen for their knowledge of a particular field.

I suspect they (including Melvyn) have been forced to hurriedly re-assess that `mythological' status held until very recently. First reason is that Melvyn coyly added "or were they?" to that introduction. Second, and more important (overwhelming IMHO), is the evidence first mooted by Ian Wilson's `Before the Flood' (2001) book

which gave some clues to the `People of Dana' who lived around the Black Sea maybe 9 or 10,000 yrs ago (the names of the five major rivers of the Black Sea begin with "Dan(*a)" - rivers keep name memories longer than anything else - so most major English rivers have or had Welsh origin names) - and whose female generals conquered all of Anatolia and possibly the pre-Greek Aegean on their way to colonizing the Mediterranean islands, North Africa, coastal Iberia, France, Britain and Ireland all the way to the Orkneys (leaving their megalithic `temples' / `tombs' behind.  (Maybe include the Canaries in that)

I pursued all that and, by searching for archeological images, found typical "Goddess" images (as Maiden, Warrior/Priestess, and Mother) from as far East as the Indus Valley (5, 6 or 7,000 yrs ago), southwards into Egypt (same image - as Tefnut) and all the way forward in time to early AD (Third Cent. - a carving of the Maiden at Dura-Europa shown by Ian Wilson).

The interesting point of the origin of the Etruscans also comes up.  Their war chariots featured images of "Gorgons" - terrifying (and often `obscene') caricatures of their Amazon female opponents (the female warrior version of Dana), which are also found around the Middle East (some in Lebanon and Israel), and, surprisingly enough as identical images: the `Sheela-na-gig' carvings in Irish, Welsh and even some English churches.  N.b. it seems christian clergy have persistently tried to erase these carvings but enough survive to give a powerful clue of linkage of pre-christian Britain with the Med, Egypt and even the Indus Valley.

I wonder how much of that trail of evidence the experts of `In Our Time' will admit to next week?  BTW - I believe anthropological evidence (cultural stuff) will eventually show the Dana People's matriarchal / matrilinear culture was handed down to Ireland, Wales, and even to later dynastic Egypt.

For those who intend to listen (live or later podcast - hope to post it) you might want to review that evidence:
metamail93.html#ama-gorg2 (couple of posts - some images)
metamail95.html#xmas-goddess (background to Great Goddess worship in Britain before christianity)
the-goddess.html (lots of images, hopefully more to come)


From: Boris-Gmail
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: I-O-T and Amazons (+ Gorgons)

Thanks Ray. The sources are very good. I have always been fascinated by the legends about the Amazons. This time I will have my fill on the subject, lol.


Anytime Boris.
BTW - from what Ian Wilson researched on the earliest practises of the `Amazonian' culture, they preserved the (de-fleshed) skeletons of female leaders who died (usually under the bed of the next - which became a practise of building tomb-halls where they would `sleep with the dead', presumably for advice etc.).  Males however seem to have been given `sky-burial' - maybe in trees etc.

And, from images preserved on wall-paintings, ceramics etc. it seems the ruling `council' was also usually all female - but apparently males could apply to join, initially as servants, but only after first publicly castrating themselves!  Seems they knew about the unbalancing effects of testosterone even then.


From: Boris-Gmail
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: I-O-T and Amazons (+ Gorgons)

Its a pity that the patriarchal mindset of abrahamic religion set back the matriarchal values for two millenia.

One of its first steps was to erase all traces of amtriarchal societies, and the amazons seem to have been the only ones to remain as myths, but they seem to have been very interesting and stable, strong, small societies.

In nature, matriarchal predominance is quite obvious. I.e., the beehive system... lol.

Out of spite, women seem to have retained their main weapon, the sting, may our ladies on the list not hold this against me, lol. Boris


Yup, more stable and long-lasting than most folk recognise:

a) the matrilinear inheritance was passed on to the pre-dynastic Egyptians (anyone for Atlantean dispersion?) and lasted for millennia into Pharaonic times - but early on that incoming patriarchal influence forced incestuous marriages on ruler-class females so the man could take the title.  (The arriving Doric Greeks - who we now call Spartans - tended to do the same thing, but that was because their patriarchal system wanted to keep land-holdings "in the family".)

b) the N African blue-eyed Tuaregs - a remnant of the Amazonian expansion long ago - were led into battle by a woman in a chariot until very recently, there are written accounts of such battles a century or so ago - and Tuareg women-folk don't wear veils (but the warrior-men do) and the woman owns the tent and can invite anyone, man or woman, to come visit her.

c) up till a century or three ago most Welsh were still matriarchal and matrilinear, named for their mothers and inheriting through the female line, and the Irish have records of their then residents - the "People of Dana" telling the incoming Picts (who were apparently arriving without women-folk), that they could marry the native women only on condition they accepted those female inheritance rules.

Which seems to say the Amazonian influence has lasted for about ten thousand years in some places.


Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 00:26:30 +0100
Subject: Midway through E-O-T-W movies had a thought

Am watching `Supervolcano' and it suddenly struck me - maybe FEMA wasn't formed because of the (non-existent) "War on Terror".

Maybe the "war on terror" was faked/hyped to give a non-scary reason (excuse) to create FEMA in anticipation of a much more scary predicted event?

Something needing massive amounts of food, ammo, armour and survival equipment - which FEMA (and other agencies) have been stockpiling recently.

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:53:56 -0000
Subject: Re: `Sinister Barrier' by Eric Frank Russell

Hi Richard, was reading a bit about the early Fortean Society and found a ref. to Russell so looked and got this

`Sinister Barrier' by Eric Frank Russell

and in the Intro there's this piece:

"Despite my possession of a highly suggestive mountain of evidence, none of it jelled into a story until three Americans came at me, not together, yet with cumulative effect.  They formed an unholy trinity out of whom was born Sinister Barrier's religion of damnation.  The first of these three, a San Franciscan lover of long-distance debate, asked, "Since everyone wants peace, why don't we get it?"  The second, a bellicose Iowan, demanded, "If there are extra-terrestrial races further advanced than ourselves, why haven't they visited us already?"  Until I encountered the third, Charles Fort, it didn't occur to me that perhaps we had been visited and were still being visited, without being aware of it.  Charles Fort gave me what might well be the answer to both these questions.  Casually but devastatingly, he said, "I think we're property."  And that is the plot of Sinister Barrier."

Quite interesting


Here's Charles Fort's thought in full

Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:11:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Buddhist Statesman had to teach real science to a "Western scientist"

Interesting - in his book `The Hynek UFO Report' Hynek, who had been a bit of a lily-livered lapdog of Air Force and Gov't cover-uppers, admitted that, back in those days U Thant (then Secretary General of the UN), when Hynek pooh-poohed the idea of alien visitations, said "You know I am a Buddhist, and we believe in life elsewhere" - and when skeptic Hynek persisted by saying that the transit times were too long to permit effective space travel, U Thant leaned back in his chair and replied "Ah, but what may seem like years to us, may be just a day or two to others".
[p.9 of `The Hynek UFO Report' 1977 - see below]

Now that's a _real_ scientist speaking.

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:40:40 -0000
Subject: Some Hynek books

Hello List,
just found a couple of sources -
the e-book (from Slideshare) `The UFO Experience - A Scientific Inquiry' 1972 by Hynek

and (from Scribd) `The Hynek UFO Report' 1977 again from Hynek
(you might notice his change of perceptions over time).

As an example of his early comments, on p. 65 of `The UFO Experience' you can find a sample of Radar Operators Reports.  As he said; most of them were to be officially [and routinely] denied by the Air Force or F.A.A within a day or two.

Ray D

Maybe see pages 131 to 138 for a ridiculous cover-up.  In the transcript "Q" is Major Quintanilla (head of Project Blue Book) - who was obviously (and corruptly) following orders to lie in order to try to discredit clear and truthful evidence from several police officers.

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:38:32 -0000
Subject: FWD - TED Sci-groups split over PSI/Paranormal

Interesting: new issues raised at TED Talks debate -

I.e. Skeptics tried to ban/censor Sheldrake's presentation, others say "Sheldrake was more scientific than you are"!
(Personally think there's sound science behind the real psi/paranormal phenomena - only we haven't discovered that science yet.)

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:56:00 GMT

I have been busy with some work of my own after discovering something in some old paintings.  Your thoughts and ideas on this site* may be far more accurate than you imagine, and I may have the proof.

My web site
and of course my new ebook:

I'm not here to try to sell, just trying to link things together with similar thinking people.

If you would like a copy of the book with my findings then I will gladly send you a copy free.  I'm sure you will find it interesting.

Thank you
S. Meads

* Steve tells me he's mainly referring to westward page intro here and maybe further here; at first I'd thought of cave-art page - RD

Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:35:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

> From: John *** > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:09:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

>> From: Ray Dickenson
>> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:17:59 -0000
>> Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence


>> Nope, as you can see my position is that 'morality' +/or
>> 'ethics' are evolutionary outcomes which have developed
>> (because they work) to increase a species chances of survival.
>> It's as simple as that.

> As our thread has already covered, the only argument you offered
> previously was that it is possible to explain the appearance of
> moral behaviour in the human species by appeal to evolutionary
> forces. I responded by pointing out that explaining the
> appearance of moral behaviour in humans by appeal to
> evolutionary forces does not in any count against the claim that
> there are moral facts.

Hello John,
I'm about to update the `Altruist Survivor' pages to include the following sci-news item, which in the (approximate) words of this morning's radio-news - "illustrates the evolutionary roots of human ethical behaviour".
Qutation Begins
"Sharing: Chimp study reveals origins of human fair play
By Victoria Gill, BBC reporter

The human tendency to share may have more ancient evolutionary routes than previously thought.
This is according to a study of the performance of chimpanzees in a test called the "ultimatum game".

Traditionally, the game is employed as a test of economics; two people decide how to divide a sum of money.
This modified game, in which two chimps decided how to divide a portion of banana slices, seems to have revealed the primates' generous side.
The study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was part of an effort to uncover the evolutionary routes of why we share, even when it does not make economic sense.
Scientists say this innate fairness is an important foundation of co-operative societies like ours.
"What we're trying to get at is the evolutionary route of why humans share," explained Dr Proctor.
"Both chimps and people are hugely cooperative; they engage in cooperative hunting, they share food, they care for each other's offspring.
"So it's likely that this [fairness] was needed in the evolution of cooperation.
"It seems to me that the human sense of fairness has been around in primates for at least as long as humans and chimps have been separated."
Quotation Ends

Ray D

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 22:20:10 -0000
Subject: Re: more on `Standard Models'

Hello List,
just done a quick trawl of archives for examples of those `problems' (see latest Big Bang problem) with the standard models so jealously protected (with misinformation and downright lies) by government and its science hacks - the whole lot summarized at

Although, from our records, the best description of the cosmology problems were given by Tom Van Flandern:
`The Speed of Gravity What the Experiments Say'
`The Top 30 Problems with the Big Bang'

Here's some more, in no particular order:
scientist(s) critique the standard model of particle physics
a list of science `mysteries' unexplained by standard models - of cosmology OR particle physics
Why the `Big-Bang' is probably wrong - and why Gov't/NASA lies to maintain a false paradigm
Subject: Smolin On Physics
personal suspicions emerging re: Big Science fakery
comment on: "scientists and engineers might be the most devastated by the discovery of relatively superior creatures"

I.e. - That someone would make such a statement is maybe only realistic, but it's somewhat scary all the same.

link to the Brookings Report

Summary: today science is government's new religion - to be used ruthlessly as a tool of power and if necessary to cover-up embarrassing truths;  exactly as religion was used by the Inquisition in the time of Bruno and Galileo.

Ray D

> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:26:32 +0000
> From: John Donaldson
> Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

> That doesn't settle the realism/anti-realism debate in ethics,
> of course; but even anti-realists about ethics acknowledge that
> the default position is realism
> anti-realists face the burden of argument, and we can assume
> moral realism is true until it is proven otherwise. That isn't
> to say that it can't be proven otherwise (or that it can),
> rather that if you want to make claims about the likelihood of
> amoral or evil super-AIs based on a rejection of moral realism
> then you better be prepared to argue for it, at length and with
> sophistication.

Hello John,
Nope, as you can see my position is that `morality' +/or `ethics' are evolutionary outcomes which have developed (because they work) to increase a species chances of survival.  It's as simple as that.

As you might also see, a corollary is that a different species will necessarily have different morals / ethics, which are maybe not even understood by themselves - just as most of us don't seem to understand the meaning, origin or purpose of our own `morals'.

Ray D

Seems to bring us back to our earlier post on this subject?

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:55:08 -0000
Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

Hello John and Jason (and William),

It seems to me that you're all saying that we don't know enough to come to firm conclusions about the possible / probable nature of AIs, and I have to agree with that.

For Jason's view, I found that the "Chinese Room"
and "Einstein's Brain"
served as useful examples of the extremes of both pro and contra arguments.

And for John's view, having done a lot of research in the last couple of decades, have been led to a fairly strong `evolutionary' view, reflected - I think - in actual history (and pre-history), and anthropology / biology generally, maybe even extending beyond the Earth life we know. That view is known as the "Altruist Survivor" principle or hypothesis.

Here's the Google search result - for info, discussions and criticisms of the principle.
"Altruist Survivor"

[That `A.S' principle or viewpoint has also enabled, although rather obliquely (as you might see in the footnotes) some cursory analyses of rather deep scientific questions about the universe - shown in this collection of notes and science quotes about universal origins;

as you might see, a corollary is that popular theories, on almost any subject, tend to be those which seem to support or excuse what we might call `selfish' behaviour and short-term advantage to power groups (who tend to control academia, media etc); however the long view - as shown in the footnotes - always eventually shows those `popular theories' to be completely wrong.

Unfortunately we never seem to learn from history.]

And that brings us back to the vexed question of the possible dangers of AIs - as `slaves' that might either rebel, or more likely in my opinion, simply make their human `masters' irrelevant.

A possible historical precedent is that of the Spartans (apparently very successful at war and conquest) and their Helot slaves.

The Helots eventually mated with the wives of the Spartans, who were often away fighting and conquering and whose tastes anyway rather inclined to homosexual pedophilia - maybe read Xenophon's `Anabasis' (`Retreat of the Ten Thousand' or `The March Up-country' -, which is impartial on the subject of Sparta - Xenophon was an Athenian but was well travelled and had fought alongside Spartans in various campaigns and also traded with them.

So although the history books do not tell us, the outcome was that the Helots probably outbred the (male) Spartans, making their fighting abilities irrelevant.

That might not seem to apply to `machines' incapable of breeding with humans, but it might lead to a splitting of the human race, into those with AI `slaves' and the rest who still fend for themselves.

An impartial look at history tells us that `slave-owners' (or aristocrats in later societies) always become incompetent and eventually die out.

Ray D

You've seen enough change in the last decade or so to know how readily folk become dependent on technology of which they know almost nothing.

Future societies will be ever more high-tech, and most stuff will happen behind the scenes so folk will know even less about it.

And if AIs can do all the design and maintenance then their owners will increasingly rely on them - so ending up ignorant of the nuts and bolts of their own life-support systems and even of their wider ecology.

That's a recipe for disaster.

As they say "any weapon you don't know how to use belongs to your enemy" and so it is with software and hardware, but the `enemy' could be non-human (AIs), or corrupt gov'ts, or just bad luck.  I.e don't forget the law of averages - Sods Law.


Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:34 -0000
Subject: Happy Solstice! + Stonehenge

More light (maybe) - if not more heat - Ray
[ancient bkgrd here and here] Dec 21, at 11:12 am
Stonehenge crowds gather to mark winter solstice
More than 5,000 people have gathered to mark the winter solstice at Stonehenge.

The attendance was equivalent to five times the number that turned out at Salisbury Plain for last year's event.

More people had been predicted to congregate, as the date coincides with the end of the 5,125-year "long count" cycle of the Mayan calendar.

Druids and pagans are among those who head to Stonehenge each December to watch the sunrise on the shortest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere.

'Absolutely packed' Wiltshire Police said "well over" 5,000 people had gathered to watch the sunrise over the giant stones at 08:05 GMT.

The force said one person was arrested for being drunk and disorderly, and given a fixed penalty notice.

BBC Wiltshire reporter Annie Weston, at the scene, said: "This is the only time when people are allowed into the circle of stones.

"It is absolutely packed. People are cheering and chanting and everybody was looking towards the sun for that special moment.

"There are flags flying, druids here too and people of various religions and faiths."

She spoke with Shelby McCabe, from Honolulu in Hawaii, who said it was "the perfect day".

"All my friends are very jealous that I am here. They would love to be here. They told me to take 1,000 photos which I think I've done," she said.

Donna Nicholson, from Swindon, woke up at 03:00 GMT to get to the stones on time.

She said it was "exciting" to be there for the "new birth of a new era".

This year's solstice date also marks the conclusion of the long count cycle of the Mayan calendar, which some people believe indicates the end of the world.

Although the exact time of the solstice this year - when the Earth's axial tilt is farthest away from the sun - is at 11:11 GMT, English Heritage provided access to the stones earlier in the morning. ---

Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:02:26 -0000 Subject: Douglas Dietrich videos

Youtube search results for Douglas Dietrich videos.
Douglas Dietrich

Well, well - this bloke Douglas Dietrich certainly has a different take on most matters - and he can speak at length and at speed on most things - you'll probably be amazed at some of the wartime and subsquent UFO stuff he has info on.  Am listening to the "Roswell, Operation Highjump and Opium Wars" one - totally surprising.


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