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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:39:41 -0000
Subject: Re: Etruscan book of omens

Boris G wrote:
> Ray. Did you ever get a transcript of this lecture? Could you
> send me a link?

> From: "Ray D"
>> Hi Boris - got this in mail today: "A lecture which will be
>> given at the British Museum on Friday 14 October.


Hello Boris - Nope. Looked and it seems they don't do transcripts of lectures, unlike PSB (and _some_ BBC stuff).
However I think this PDF just about covers it - from the same author
http://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1137&context=etruscan_studies
from
http://scholarworks.umass.edu/etruscan_studies/vol10/iss1/13/

And here's my own small Etruscan archive, and (below the XXX's), are publishers details of that book which has been translated
Ray
[see Amazons & Gorgons note at foot]

"Everything that happens is to announce a future event or is the realization of a sign the gods had sent earlier. As Seneca points out, for the Etruscans, facts are not important because they happened, but because they arrive in order to have a meaning in the future."
http://www.critiquemagazine.com/article/etruscans.html

"Whereas we [Greco-Romans] believe lightning to be released as a result of the collision of the clouds, they (the Etruscans) believe that the clouds collide so as to release lightning, for as they attribute all to the deity, they are led to believe not that things have a meaning in so far as they occur, but rather that they occur because they must have a meaning."

`Astronomy before the Telescope' also quoted (approx) at
http://www.domspe.org/etruscans/obsession.html

images
http://muddleaged.com/EtruscanHead6CBCE.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Paris_-_Louvre_-_Sarcophage.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:IMG_1075_-_Perugia_-_Museo_archeologico_-_Urna_etrusca_-_7_ago_2006_-_Foto_G._Dall%27Orto2.jpg

husband + wife
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/art/art.html
http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/7000/7025/mask_7025.htm

Hermes
http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1443-837
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http://romanarch.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html
Studies show Etruscans descended from peoples of Asia Minor I had read about the studies on Tuscan cattle earlier this year. Now the scientists have shown a link to the Etruscan people as well. I also find it gratifying that Herodotus was vindicated since some scholars have scoffed at his work, claiming it was too "fanciful" to be true.

"The long-running controversy about the origins of the Etruscan people appears to be very close to being settled once and for all, a geneticist will tell the annual conference of the European Society of Human Genetics today. Professor Alberto Piazza, from the University of Turin, Italy, will say that there is overwhelming evidence that the Etruscans, whose brilliant civilisation flourished 3000 years ago in what is now Tuscany, were settlers from old Anatolia (now in southern Turkey).

Etruscan culture was very advanced and quite different from other known Italian cultures that flourished at the same time, and highly influential in the development of Roman civilisation. Its origins have been debated by archaeologists, historians and linguists since time immemorial. Three main theories have emerged: that the Etruscans came from Anatolia, Southern Turkey, as propounded by the Greek historian Herotodus; that they were indigenous to the region and developed from the Iron Age Villanovan society, as suggested by another Greek historian, Dionysius of Halicarnassus; or that they originated from Northern Europe.

Now modern genetic techniques have given scientists the tools to answer this puzzle. Professor Piazza and his colleagues set out to study genetic samples from three present-day Italian populations living in Murlo, Volterra, and Casentino in Tuscany, central Italy. "We already knew that people living in this area were genetically different from those in the surrounding regions", he says. "Murlo and Volterra are among the most archaeologically important Etruscan sites in a region of Tuscany also known for having Etruscan-derived place names and local dialects. The Casentino valley sample was taken from an area bordering the area where Etruscan influence has been preserved."

The scientists compared DNA samples taken from healthy males living in Tuscany, Northern Italy, the Southern Balkans, the island of Lemnos in Greece, and the Italian islands of Sicily and Sardinia. The Tuscan samples were taken from individuals who had lived in the area for at least three generations, and were selected on the basis of their surnames, which were required to have a geographical distribution not extending beyond the linguistic area of sampling. The samples were compared with data from modern Turkish, South Italian, European and Middle-Eastern populations.

"We found that the DNA samples from individuals from Murlo and Volterra were more closely related those from near Eastern people than those of the other Italian samples", says Professor Piazza. "In Murlo particularly, one genetic variant is shared only by people from Turkey, and, of the samples we obtained, the Tuscan ones also show the closest affinity with those from Lemnos."

Herodotus' theory, much criticised by subsequent historians, states that the Etruscans emigrated from the ancient region of Lydia, on what is now the southern coast of Turkey, because of a long-running famine. Half the population was sent by the king to look for a better life elsewhere, says his account, and sailed from Smyrna (now Izmir) until they reached Umbria in Italy. "We think that our research provides convincing proof that Herodotus was right", says Professor Piazza, "and that the Etruscans did indeed arrive from ancient Lydia."


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http://www.easons.com/display.asp?ISB=9781107009073
Divining the Etruscan World The Brontoscopic Calendar and Religious Practice
Jean MacIntosh Turfa
Description
The Etruscan Brontoscopic Calendar is a rare document of omens foretold by thunder. It long lay hidden, embedded in a Greek translation within a Byzantine treatise from the age of Justinian. The first complete English translation of the Brontoscopic Calendar, this book provides an understanding of Etruscan Iron Age society as revealed through the ancient text, especially the Etruscans' concerns regarding the environment, food, health, and disease. Jean MacIntosh Turfa also analyzes the ancient Near Eastern sources of the Calendar and the subjects of its predictions, thereby creating a picture of the complexity of Etruscan society reaching back the before the advent of writing and the recording of the calendar.
Contents
Part I. Background: 1. The Brontoscopic Calendar and its transmission; 2. Etruscan religion in the classical world; 3. An ominous time: thunder, lightning, weather, and divination; Part II. The Brotoscopic Calendar: Greek Text and English Translation; Part III. Thematic Analysis of the Etruscan Brontoscopic Calendar: 4. Analysis of the Brontoscopic Calendar; 5. 'Reptiles with trouble habitations' - weather, fauna, agriculture, pests; 6. 'Plague, but not exceptionally life-threatening' - health and disease; 7. 'The women and the slaves will carry out assassinations' - the society of the Brontoscopic Calendar; Part IV. Sources and Successors of the Etruscan Brontoscopic Calendar: 8. Mesopotamian influences and Near Eastern predecessors of the Etruscan Brontoscopic Calendar; 9. Other Brontoscopia in the classical tradition; 10. Conclusion: assessing the Etruscan Brontoscopic Calendar and its heritage.

Author Jean MacIntosh Turfa is Rodney Young Fellow in the Mediterranean Section of the University of Pennsylvania Museum and Adjunct Professor of Classics and Ancient Studies at St. Joseph's University, Philadelphia. She has published catalogues of collections of Etruscan antiquities as well as articles on Etruscan art, seafaring, votive offerings, and divination and medicine.
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Divining-Etruscan-World-Brontoscopic-Religious/dp/1107009073
Product Description
The Etruscan Brontoscopic Calendar is a rare document of omens foretold by thunder. It long lay hidden, embedded in a Greek translation within a Byzantine treatise from the age of Justinian. The first complete English translation of the Brontoscopic Calendar, this book provides an understanding of Etruscan Iron Age society as revealed through the ancient text, especially the Etruscans' concerns regarding the environment, food, health, and disease. Jean MacIntosh Turfa also analyzes the ancient Near Eastern sources of the Calendar and the subjects of its predictions, thereby creating a picture of the complexity of Etruscan society reaching back the before the advent of writing and the recording of the calendar.

Book Description
The Etruscan Brontoscopic Calendar is a rare document of omens foretold by thunder. It long lay hidden, embedded in a Greek translation within a Byzantine treatise from the age of Justinian. The first complete English translation of the Brontoscopic Calendar, this book provides an understanding of Etruscan Iron Age society as revealed through the ancient text, especially Etruscans' concerns with the environment, food, health and disease.
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BTW - That mention of Herodotus being verified reminded me I also have more, at metamail93.html#etrus2 on Etruscan links with earlier `Amazon' culture (matriarchal `People of the Goddess Dana' led by women warriors) of Anatolia (the reason for `Gorgons' being feared - probably first by the Etruscans).
RD






Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:22:35 -0000
Subject: A look ahead?

www.montrealgazette.com/life/front+seat+apocalypse+2012/5935874/story.html

"... A B.C. soothsayer warns of other shakeups closer to home in 2012. Georgia Nicholls, the Vancouver astrologist who writes a newspaper horoscope column, says "fiery Mars" will preside over all signs for most of the year. This is apparently a very unusual development.

She advises us to prepare for much more cosmic energy bouncing around next year. That's neither good nor bad on its own, adds Nicholls, but the challenge is in managing all that extra energy.

Nicholls cautioned Sagittarians like me to ease up in 2012 on their tendency to resist authority. I am taking that to heart. It's a reminder that I will soon be working in an unfamiliar culture, political structure and language, and will need to be the nicest, most easy-going version of myself.

There does seem to be agreement among the ancient Mayans, the astrologists and the Chinese that 2012 is shaping up to be a corker.

According to Chinese astrology, the 12-month period starting Feb. 4 is the year of the black water dragon. That heralds a year of uncertainty and unexpected developments.

"You can have either bad luck or good luck in 2012, and will have a chance to turn it into better or worse luck," noted one Chinese horoscope site. Gulp.

But if it's really all over next December, luck is the least of our worries anyway." ...
Jody Paterson,
patersoncommunications@gmail.com




Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:16:20 -0000
Subject: XMAS + "Pernicious tricks


Another reminder of the pernicious tricks of `religious' brainwashing.  Already knew, from something found a few months ago -

"UPDATE Mar. 2011 - Just found historical record - The Venerable Bede (672 - 735 CE) relates that - "the ancient peoples of Angli began the year on the 25th of December, and the very night was called in their tongue Modranecht, that is 'Mother's Night'"
- archived at metamail93.html#bede-lk

- that the early Xtian planners had `stolen' the Winter Solstice* festival (Pagan - the Great Goddess culture) for their most prestigious religious date, but just now was reading `Chasing the Sun'
www.telegraph.co.uk/~/Chasing-the-Sun-by-Richard-Cohen-review.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/34hbfqd
where Cohen mentioned that Dec 25th _was_ the Solstice* date but, due to the inefficient calendars used in the West, it subsequently drifted hither and yon until it finally ended up, after many changes, at ~Dec 21st/22nd (the Solstice* wasn't changing - just the calendar).

Thing is, at the last big change the Vatican had the chance to re-align the dates (by deleting 15 days instead of 11) but realized that would put the Solstice* back on Dec 25th.  As Cohen said (approx)
- "... having successfully stolen the Pagan [the Great Goddess culture's?] festival 800 years earlier, the Vatican certainly didn't want to give it back!"

Quite funny, looked at in the long view. Rather sad, in the shorter term.

Cheers
Ray


PS - the Xtian planners then also chose to place their second most prestigious date on top of the Spring Equinox, celebrated as it was by most earlier `religions', from Western Europe thru to Zoroastrian Persia and even Japan.

But the Vatican couldn't make the northern peoples change their previous name for the Spring Festival:  Eostre, or `Easter' - and she was the Maiden version of the Great Goddess, often shown in charge of plants, animals and fruitfulness [note the `eggs' - for fertility - worn by her Cybele/Artemis persona].





Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:57:36 -0000
Subject: Re: Women's UFO Symposium Takes On 'Old Boys Club' [original]


> Source: The HuffingtonPost.Com
> http://tinyurl.com/77yxp8x
> 11/28/11

< snip>
> "Women are not on the forefront of many UFO conferences. It's
> kind of an old boys club," said symposium organizer Paola Harris.

> "There are so many wonderful researchers out there that have
> literally dedicated their lives to a cause, and they deserve to
> balance the energy," she told The Huffington Post.

Hello List,
this is a phenomenon which has been studied quite a bit in the field of education, less so (and much less rigorously - for various reasons) in other social spheres.

There's several known outcomes:-
i) in a "mixed" arena - ie. boys and girls in a classroom - the boys typically will clamor for attention and engage in aggressive `battles', while the girls will indulge that behaviour by sitting on the sidelines;

ii) therefore, while mixed schools are good for `civilizing' boys, mixed classes are bad for girls achievement;

iii) single-sex schooling is therefore `good' for girls achievement and fairly neutral for girls socially, but `bad' for boys socially - it can tend to produce un-social, to over-aggressive, to unbalanced, to obsessive personalities.

I wouldn't want to cast aspersions re the present, and definitely not to forecast the future, but, looking at the increasing achievements of women in the sciences (already equal in medicine in UK and still rising) wherever they have near-equal education [also see greatest.html], one could reasonably expect women of the future to tell the squabbling boys to "shut up" while they - the women - concentrate on serious matters.

I.e. maybe like Alfred Russel Wallace wrote:
"The position of woman in the not too distant future will be far higher and more important than any which has been claimed for or by her in the past.  While she will be conceded full political and social rights on an equality with man, she will be placed in a position of responsibility and power which will render her his superior".

Cheers
Ray D


[PS - for example, just now there's a great female UFO investigator based in Pennsylvania, you might've seen her stuff on Youtube - RD]




Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:20:12 GMT

Hans Schröder sent three (+1/2) messages.  Think Hans maybe saw the post re `polts + ET' (below) - Ray


Similarities shared by both UFOs, MARIAN APPARITIONS and POLTERGEISTS EXPERIENCES that support that hypothesis that links Poltergeists with UFOs and MARIAN APPARITIONS

The idea that UFOs could be the direct result of PK(Paranormal or psi or psykochinetic) effects emerged in parallel in the english and french literature. In 1977, Scott Rogo publishes a book where he identifies a number of similarities between the poltergeist phenomenon and the UFO experience. Using well-documented cases, Rogo found that:

1 - materialization(apports) and dematerialization(asports)
2 - teleportation
3 - encounter with alleged non-human entities
4 - objects moving in a zig-zag motion
5 - object moving on a square angle
6 - slow left-and-right motion like a falling feather
7 - automatic writing
8 - levitation of inanimate objects, animals and people
9 - paralysis of some parts of body or whole body
10 - malfunction of electronic/electric devices
11 - prophecies announced by these alleged nonhuman entities(spirits/ghosts or aliens or 12.-marian apparitions) that later proved to be true
13 - experiences in which entities can only be seen by some people but not others
14 - experiences in which paranormal odors can only be sniffed by some people but not others
15 - The odors of mildew, rotten eggs or sulfur, and rotting foods
the ability to disguise in any being (see the Dagg Poltergeist case in the book: Alien Dawn of Colin Wilson)
16 - Strange animal / people mutilations (See the Ventimiglia, Italy poltergeist case occurred in 1761 in google and the cattle mutilation caused by ufos in google too)
17 - thelepatic communication with these entities (ghosts, aliens, marian apparitions, and son on)
18 - Invisible entities
19 - notorious liars (see the messages that the aliens say to contactees, see some poltergeist cases as dagg poltergeist case, Bell Witch poltergeist case, The Devil of Mascon poltergeist case and so on) were common to both POLTERGEISTS and UFOs

Because of this, I think that our human nature is related with the alien/ET/UFO nature because both natures(human and alien) have been involved in poltergeist phenomena

References:

1.- www.psican.org/alpha/index.php?/20090308225/Ufological-Information/The-Materiality-Of-UFOs.html
2.- http://parasociology.blogspot.com/2008/10/ufo-waves-as-social-poltergeists.html
3.- http://parasociology.blogspot.com/2008/10/model-to-study-poltergeists-and-ufo.html
4.- www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1553.htm


These similarities are also said by expert ufologists as John Keel, Jacques Vallee and many more researchers of the paranormal

It´s a pity that at the present time the most of ufologists and poltergeist experts ignore these similarities shared by both poltergeists and ufos

Hans Schröder
---
About one very contradictory trait of the UFO phenomenon that is not very mentioned

UFO CRASHES
For me, this trait of the ufo phenomenon would be the most contradictory because if the UFOnauts(aliens/ETs) were more intelligent than us, so, why they have crashed throughout the entire history just as we humans have crashed in car accidents, airplane accidents,so on???

This trait unfortunately is not said neither by History channel, nor by Erich Von Daniken(See his book: Ancient astronauts) nor by almost any expert ufologist.

I write this message because I would like that this trait be mentioned or discussed in Paranormal/Parapsychology/Ufology conferences or research papers on ufology

Because of this, The ancient astronauts of Von Daniken I consider that cannot be Our creator gods because of this very contradictory trait of the ufo phenomenon

This is my big question:

UFO crashes are accidents or is there an intelligent purpose?

I end by saying the words of the late eminent spanish ufologist Fernando Jimenez del Oso:The UFO phenomenon is a phenomenon so absurd, so complex and so contradictory

Hans Schröder
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I would like that you talk deeply about the ancient Druids because I consider that it´s a pity that Druids have been ignored and because I have read the feats that the Druids did thousands of years ago because of which the celtic people remember them: levitation, invoke storms, the gift of prophecy, psyquic healers, change water into stone instantly as if by magic, shift of shape to animal or plant shapes (this trait is shared with the UFOnauts because in some UFO cases the UFOnauts have been seen shift of their original shape to a new shape), materialization, dematerialization, do shields of unknown energy which saved to the celtic people of their enemies. The origins of the ancient Druids are a big mystery of the mankind. Other big mystery was the Druid initiation ritual that was 20 years or more after which the Druid initiate knew the deepest secrets of nature.

I suspect that the ancient Druids are somehow related to the UFO phenomenon by the similarities shared by both the Druids and the UFOnauts

Hans Schröder
---
sorry, in my last message i forget complete the sentence where the word see is alone after of the healing without medicine sentence. The complete sentence is: healing without medicine (see the Edivaldo Oliveira Silva, a psyquic surgeon. Guy Lyon Playfair, a cured person by Edivaldo by psyquic powers talks about his experience in his book The flying Cow. Playfair said that the Edivaldo's feats were genuine).

A notable case of true psyquic healing (healing without medicine) of the past is the Alalouf case. Alalouf was a french healer that was studied by the specialist of UFOs and french doctor Aimé Michel. Alalouf was blamed for leaving many french doctors out of work because of his psychic powers(healing powers). Alalouf unlike doctors never took any money from people who cured.




Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:12:48 -0000
Subject: Interesting ET specltn - "Nonterrestrial artifacts hard to pin down


Last paragraph just about covers it - Ray

www.spacedaily.com/reports/Nonterrestrial_artifacts_hard_to_pin_down_999.html
http://tinyurl.com/dy6bp8x

Nonterrestrial artifacts hard to pin down
by Staff Writers for Penn State News
University Park, PA (SPX) Nov 08, 2011

Two Pioneer probes left our solar system carrying plaques about humankind, and two Voyager probes will soon join them to gather information about places far out in our galaxy. We can and will send more autonomous probes into outer space, but why have we never found evidence of other civilizations doing the same?

A pair of postdoctoral researchers at Penn State, approaching the problem mathematically, shows that we have not looked in enough places to ensure that no extraterrestrial artifacts exist in our solar system.

"The vastness of space, combined with our limited searches to date, implies that any remote unpiloted exploratory probes of extraterrestrial origin would likely remain unnoticed," report Jacob Haqq-Misra, Rock Ethics Institute, and Ravi Kumar Kopparapu, Earth and Environmental Systems Institute, in a paper accepted by Acta Astronautica and posted online on ArXiv.

So far, we have not found any nonterrestrial artifacts in our solar system. The Fermi paradox, originally formulated by Enrico Fermi, asks, if intelligent life is common, why have no technological civilizations been observed.

Answers to this question could include life is rare, intelligent cultures inevitably destroy themselves, intelligent beings have not gotten here yet or they are here but not revealing themselves.

Even without actual contact, like us, other civilizations could be sending unpiloted probes to quietly peek at our civilization.

These probes, like ours, would be small and might be hidden in a variety of places. In the asteroid belt they would probably go unnoticed, especially if these nonterrestrial objects are only 3 to 33 feet in size, weighing little more than a ton.

"Extraterrestrial artifacts may exist in the solar system without our knowledge simply because we have not yet searched sufficiently," said Haqq-Misra and Kopparapu. "Few if any of the attempts would be capable of detecting a 1 to 10 meter (3 to 33 foot) probe."

Haqq-Misra and Kopparapu use a probabilistic method to determine if we have looked closely enough anywhere in the solar system to definitively say there are no nonterrestrial objects here. The analysis is based on answering the question: How sure can we be that we should have already found any nonterrestrial objects lurking in the solar system?

They view the solar system as a fixed volume and figure out the percentages of that volume that would need to be thoroughly searched using a discovery capability small enough to detect these probes, assuming that the probes are not consciously camouflaged.

The researchers note that most searches to date have not been fine enough to locate such small probes or to totally rule out anywhere.

After taking into account a variety of potential biases, such as "the universe is teeming with life" or "life is rare," the team developed an equation that can be applied to a portion of the volume of the solar system and determine whether sufficient searching has been done to ensure that we can say there are no nonterrestrial objects within that volume.

The researchers found that it is, at this point, difficult to say that there are not nonterrestrial objects in our solar system.

"The surface of the Earth is one of the few places in the solar system that has been almost completely examined at a spatial resolution of less than 3 feet," said Haqq-Misra and Kopparapu.

But even as humans have spread across the solid surfaces of the Earth, there are still caves, jungles and deserts as well as the ocean floor and subsurface areas that have not been explored. Even with this, the Earth does have a high confidence that no nonterrestrial artifacts exist.

The moon and Mars have been searched to a small extent. An ongoing mapping project, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, is looking at the moon at a resolution of about 20 inches, so we may eventually be able to determine if there are no nonterrestrial objects on the moon. The researchers caution that surface maps may not be sufficient to distinguish between a space probe and a rock.

The surface of Mars is still mostly unsurveyed and the researchers' confidence in the probability of no nonterrestrial artifacts is low. Similarly, locations like the Earth-moon Lagrange points, the asteroid belt and the Kuiper belt might also shelter extra solar system probes, but the vast majority of the solar system's volume is uninvestigated.

"Searches to date of the solar system are sufficiently incomplete that we cannot rule out the possibility that nonterrestrial artifacts are present and may even be observing us," said Haqq-Misra and Kopparapu. They add that "the completeness of our search for nonterrestrial objects will inevitably increase as we continue to explore the moon, Mars and other nearby regions of space."
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Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:31:08 -0000
Subject: "EOH" - interesting book


Just had a mail from Martin Olson from LA, incidentally mentioning his book "EOH", although that isn't the reason for the mail (am thinking he maybe got on to me by some association with UCLA / UCSD, who used a small page for their physics course handouts - seems they do all handouts via the Net, including a few external pages like that).

He's got a sense of humor, as you might see www.amazon.com/Encyclopaedia-Hell~
www.youtube.com/encycofhell
www.feralhouse.com/encyclopaedia-of-hell

As I believe in serendipity, am thinking of suggesting his next target might be "Tomorrow's Gods (or Devils)" - as hinted at in our latest little discussion: - here's the quote if you missed the posts -


> all the way to a rather scary speculative SETI conclusion?
> http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/nov/m03-001.shtml

We might need a professional humorist to plumb the depths of machine-minds and their motives

Ray


[Hey!  Maybe a comedic thinker could help overthrow the liars and thieves in power here - not just in Greece / Italy / USA]




Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:45:12 -0000
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars] UFOs and the Intelligence Communities of the Western Powers 1


Hi Mark,
thanks, I'll go along with that Hynek quote (didn't know about that - slightly improves his rep with me) - coincidentally other day made a short reply to a posted article which mentioned a case of a poltergeist along with a UFO sighting
http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/oct/m30-002.shtml

the resulting discussion dragged me into speculating about the possible reason for the association
http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/nov/m01-005.shtml
http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/nov/m02-002.shtml

all the way to a rather scary speculative SETI conclusion? http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/nov/m03-001.shtml
Ray


Mark McH*** wrote:
> Hynek spoke to a packed house:
> "What I really believe about UFOs is that the phenomenon as a whole is real, but not necessarily just one thing."
> http://historicmysteries.com/roswell-that-ends-well/10





Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:21:50 +0100
Subject: That broadcast: "Renaissance Astrology


The BBC has finally made a bunch of the `In Our Time' broadcasts available for listening - the whole lot is at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl/episodes/player

The one you're interested in (among some other very interesting ones on science / philosophy / history etc) is here:

RENAISSANCE ASTROLOGY - INTRO
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007nmym

PLAYER
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b007nmym

AUDIENCE REACTION PAGE
http://web.archive.org/~/inourtime/inourtime_20070614.shtml


As you might see / hear, the host - Melvyn Bragg - opened with outright denial and modernist skepticism, both in the audio and text version (that King Lear quote for example), and was quite shocked (and a bit aggro) when he found the expert panel (academics and a scientist - see INTRO page above) were saying that classical Astrology is still an effective working system!

Cheers
Ray


[see below for earlier references]




Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:18:32 +0100
Subject: Astrology Debate - again


Heard a report on radio from the UK Office of National Statistics about birth months correlating with later types of career
[had long ago read of a side-study saying same thing - using US WWII military records: biggest database in the world at that time],
so looked up the article(s)


http://www.jfhc.co.uk/Content/Doc.aspx?id=1585
BIRTH MONTH LINK TO CAREER PATH?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/08/birth-month-determines-career-study_n_952629.html
http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/209849/20110907/birth-month-career-path-birth-month-determines-career-path-birth-month-linked-to-career-paths.htm
http://www.managers.org.uk/news/month-baby-born-affects-career-development


and had already got an early mention of SwissAir using pilots' birth-charts for routine safety predictions, at metamail9.html#astro [and a world-famous psychologist admitting `for unknown reasons - it works'].

So we have:
very firm evidence that birth time correlates with later life abilities / choices,
and fairly firm evidence that birth times are accurate indicators of temperament / mood changes.

Interesting?

Ray





Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:58:53 +0100
Subject: "Aliens may destroy humanity to ..." - NASA report


I've filed this under `nasa-jpl' to remind me that JPL was the first part of NASA Corp. to fall under the heel of the CIA - when co-founder Jack Parsons, a strong libertarian, died `accidentally' (at work I think).  [Since then there've been several media/CIA smear campaigns against the late Parsons accusing him of everything from `black magic' to wife-swapping etc.]
So that file-name is to remind me to ask  "Why does CIA/NASA - after several decades of CIA/Hollywood's anti-Alien propaganda - suddenly feel the need to ratchet-up the scare factor with talk of "alien pre-emptive strikes"? - Ray
PS - that's especially weird when you recall the `official' Gov't/CIA line is:  "There are NO aliens" and "We're ALONE in the universe".


www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/18/aliens-destroy-humanity-protect-civilisations
Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists
Rising greenhouse emissions may tip off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat, warns a report for Nasa

Ian Sample, science correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 18 August 2011 19.04 BST

It may not rank as the most compelling reason to curb greenhouse gases, but reducing our emissions might just save humanity from a pre-emptive alien attack, scientists claim. Watching from afar, extraterrestrial beings might view changes in Earth's atmosphere as symptomatic of a civilisation growing out of control - and take drastic action to keep us from becoming a more serious threat, the researchers explain.

This highly speculative scenario is one of several described by scientists at Nasa and Pennsylvania State University that, while considered unlikely, they say could play out were humans and alien life to make contact at some point in the future. Shawn Domagal-Goldman of Nasa's Planetary Science Division and his colleagues compiled a list of plausible outcomes that could unfold in the aftermath of a close encounter, to help humanity "prepare for actual contact". In their report, Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis, the researchers divide alien contacts into three broad categories: beneficial, neutral or harmful.

Beneficial encounters ranged from the mere detection of extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI), for example through the interception of alien broadcasts, to contact with cooperative organisms that help us advance our knowledge and solve global problems such as hunger, poverty and disease. Another beneficial outcome the authors entertain sees humanity triumph over a more powerful alien aggressor, or even being saved by a second group of ETs. "In these scenarios, humanity benefits not only from the major moral victory of having defeated a daunting rival, but also from the opportunity to reverse-engineer ETI technology," the authors write.

Other kinds of close encounter may be less rewarding and leave much of human society feeling indifferent towards alien life. The extraterrestrials may be too different from us to communicate with usefully. They might invite humanity to join the "Galactic Club" only for the entry requirements to be too bureaucratic and tedious for humans to bother with. They could even become a nuisance, like the stranded, prawn-like creatures that are kept in a refugee camp in the 2009 South African movie, District 9, the report explains.

The most unappealing outcomes would arise if extraterrestrials caused harm to humanity, even if by accident. While aliens may arrive to eat, enslave or attack us, the report adds that people might also suffer from being physically crushed or by contracting diseases carried by the visitors. In especially unfortunate incidents, humanity could be wiped out when a more advanced civilisation accidentally unleashes an unfriendly artificial intelligence, or performs a catastrophic physics experiment that renders a portion of the galaxy uninhabitable.

To bolster humanity's chances of survival, the researchers call for caution in sending signals into space, and in particular warn against broadcasting information about our biological make-up, which could be used to manufacture weapons that target humans. Instead, any contact with ETs should be limited to mathematical discourse "until we have a better idea of the type of ETI we are dealing with." The authors warn that extraterrestrials may be wary of civilisations that expand very rapidly, as these may be prone to destroy other life as they grow, just as humans have pushed species to extinction on Earth. In the most extreme scenario, aliens might choose to destroy humanity to protect other civilisations.

"A preemptive strike would be particularly likely in the early phases of our expansion because a civilisation may become increasingly difficult to destroy as it continues to expand. Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilisational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of the Earth's atmosphere, via greenhouse gas emissions," the report states. "Green" aliens might object to the environmental damage humans have caused on Earth and wipe us out to save the planet. "These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems. It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets," the authors write.

Even if we never make contact with extraterrestrials, the report argues that considering the potential scenarios may help to plot the future path of human civilisation, avoid collapse and achieve long-term survival.
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Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: NASA's `Water on Mars' conference

Hi Ray,
I think me too have came across a movie where they tie up the presence of sulphuric scents to the presence of Satan, sometime it makes me wonder if they knew what they are talking about in literal sense to phrase it properly.

Choong

Ray D wrote:
> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

> Just watching the MRO (NASA) press conference and NASA's Claire ***
> mentioned that underground Mars life could be a sulfur-using form
> (able to do without light or oxygen).

> That rang a bell - there's a web-site which charts the long history of
> reports of sulfurous smells associated with `alien encounters' - and
> that goes way back to before medieval times when it was called
> brimstone.
> Ray





Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:18:13 +0100
Subject: Re: PUZZLE? - "Mount Etna eruption closes airports and 'knocks clocks 15 minutes fast'


Here's an update with slightly more info (and a correction).   Interestingly it mentions that long-running `fire-spook' case which was also in Sicily - coincidentally I'd collected some of the reports, at firespook.txt - Ray

www.theatlanticwire.com/global/...volcanic-eruption-set-clocks-15-minutes-fast/39775/
OR
http://tinyurl.com/6htw42f
The Case of the Volcano That Set Time 15 Minutes Fast
UJALA SEHGAL, JUL 10, 2011

It was business as usual when Mount Etna, the active volcano on the Italian island of Sicily, erupted for the fifth time since the beginning of the year on Saturday afternoon, the Daily Mail reports. The eruption was brief but intense, sweeping enough ash to close Catania's Fontanarossa airport overnight, a measure that was likewise required for its eruption last May. But lately, the volcanic eruptions on the island have been linked to some very odd things...

It started last month, when large numbers of locals turned up for work early. As chatter over this unprecedented occurrence grew louder, two local Sicilians organized a Facebook page to compare notes. It came to light that for thousands of people, digital clocks and watchers, from computers to alarm clocks, were all running 15 minutes fast. RIA Novosti also reported that in Palermo digital clocks and watches in Sicily were running more than 15 minutes fast. One of the people who started the page, Francesco Nicosia, told French online magazine Rue89 that, "I realized something was wrong when I started getting to work earlier. After some investigation I noticed that I wasn't the only one who was on time, which is quite rare here in Sicily."

That quote is almost too amusing to be true. But according to the Daily Mail, Sicilians "were quick to blame the volcano."And apparently this isn't the first time the island has experienced strange goings-on related to electronic devices: several years ago electronic equipment started spontaneously catching fire across the rural countryside, reports Rue89. At the time, fanatics "announced the return of Satan."

As for the more recent leap in time, scientists remain baffled. Could this just be a hoax? The Daily Mail is one of the few places reporting the story, which adds doubt as to its credibility (especially as it seems to suggest that yesterday's eruption pushed the clocks forward, when in fact it occurred in June.) If it's not a hoax, is it actually because of the volcano? Users on Facebook blamed aliens, poltergeists, solar explosions, and electrical disturbances caused by underwater cables. Naturally, others thought it was proof of the imminent demise of the world. And finally, some think that the whole thing is a conspiracy to punish Sicilians for their compulsive tardiness.
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Date:Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:24:48 +0100
Subject: More blinkered `science'

news.discovery.com/human/early-humans-cannibalism-jewelry-110706.html
EARLIEST EUROPEANS WERE CANNIBALS, WORE BLING
The 32,000-year-old human remains reveal incriminating cut marks.
By Jennifer Viegas
Wed Jul 6, 2011 12:24 PM ET
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THE GIST
The earliest known modern humans from southeast Europe wore shell and mammoth jewelry.
The same early humans also likely practiced cannibalism.
The cannibalism was tied to funeral rituals, since the bones were not butchered like meat.
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Early humans wore jewelry and likely practiced cannibalism, suggest remains of the earliest known Homo sapiens from southeastern Europe.

The remains, described in PLoS One, date to 32,000 years ago and represent the oldest direct evidence for anatomically modern humans in a well-documented context. The human remains are also the oldest known for our species in Europe to show post-mortem cut marks.

"Our observations indicate a post-mortem treatment of human corpses including the selection of the skull," co-author Stephane Pean, a paleozoologist and archaeologist at the National Museum of Natural History in Paris, told Discovery News. "We demonstrate that this treatment was not for nutritional purposes, according to comparison with game butchery treatment, so it is not a dietary cannibalism."

Instead, Pean said that he and his colleagues believe that the "observed treatment of the human body, together with the presence of body ornaments, indicates rather a mortuary ritual: either a ritual cannibalism or a specific mortuary practice for secondary disposal."

The scientists made those assessments after studying human remains and artifacts discovered at a shelter-cave site called Buran-Kaya III in the Ukraine.

Although this is a more complete archaeological setting, the actual first known Homo sapiens from Europe dates to 34,000 years ago from Pestera cu Oase in Romania. Yet another single modern human from Kostenki 1 in Russia dates to 33,000 years ago.

The age of all of these discoveries intriguingly suggests that these first members of our species in Europe may have coexisted with Neanderthals.

"Through our work in progress, some of the expected results could help to better understand the transition period of late Neanderthal and early Homo sapiens settlements in Europe," Pean said.

While the possible Neanderthal connection remains a mystery, it is more evident that these early anatomically modern humans wore mammoth bling.

Artifacts excavated at the site include five mammoth beads, one engraved plate made out of mammoth ivory and 35 perforated shells. Since no mammoth remains or craft debris were found, it's likely that the objects were made off-site.

The remains of pointed bone tools and stone projectiles indicate these early Europeans were active hunters with busy associated tool and weapon-making industries.

The discoveries support that the hunter-gatherers "repeatedly settled the rock shelter of Buran-Kaya III as a temporary hunting camp, and they mostly hunted saiga antelopes," Pean said.

Marcel Otte, a professor of prehistory at the University of Liege, has also excavated at Buran-Kaya III. He told Discovery News that he and his team found evidence for a 30,000-year-old culture at the same site, indicating the region was continuously inhabited for thousands of years after the first modern humans arrived.

Marylene Patou-Mathis, director of the Archaeozoology Unit at the National Museum of Natural History in Paris, told Discovery News that Pean and colleagues' "paper is very important and I agree with the results, which are absolutely new. I am particularly interested in the traces of cannibalism, which are well demonstrated."

She is also interested in the possible Neanderthal connections.

Patou-Mathis explained, "The area of Crimea, with the site of Buran Kaya and another site, Siuren, is very important to question the coexistence of two humankinds, Neanderthal and Homo sapiens, and two cultures on the same territory."

Pean and his team are currently involved in another dig at the same site, "so we are expecting new discoveries," he said.


note:

You might have noticed, over last decade or so, a rather unseemly eagerness by blinkered and over-specialized `scientists' (and ignorant journos) to attribute "human sacrifice" and/or "cannibalism" to ancient humans (inc. Neanderthals).

A look at the wider evidence, from Çatalhöyük and its cohort discoveries, shows a different picture:  There is a long tradition among ancient humans of respecting the dead and preserving their remains by considerate and even sentimental burials.

This extends even to Neanderthals, who have been known to place flowers and herbs, some with soothing or medicinal properties, in `graves'.

More importantly, they all practised `excarnation', de-fleshing the bones of the deceased [hence the scraping scratches, but _no_ cuts, on the bones] - for obvious hygiene reasons, so they could then bury the skeleton under their living-accomodation; either their cave (as in some Neanderthal sites) or below the floor of their bedrooms, as at Çatalhöyük et al.

Candidate reasons for keeping the dead so close are:

i) protecting the remains from depredation by animals (there were formidable carnivores around for most of Neanderthal and early Homo-sap times, including giant-sized hyenas),

ii) a form of `ancestor-worship' which did not necessarily mean one's own relatives, (analysis of DNA and teeth have shown that groups living in houses together were not all related by kinship but more probably by common interests or even simple friendship).

iii) taking that a stage further, it seems that the body/skeleton of the senior woman or `chief' would be interred below the sleeping platform of her successor (all indications show that early human society was matriarchal).  Some imaginative archeologists have dubbed this practice as `Sleeping / Dreaming With The Dead' - although alternatives are hard to envisage.

This continued for millenia, later in a more formal manner with specially built Halls containing both the `tombs' and sleeping platforms above them - down to Minoan times of the 2nd millenium BCE.

Note2: the invading patriarchal groups who became what we now call `Ancient Greeks' had noted that the earlier residents of the Aegean and of Anatolia (modern Turkey's peninsula) traced ancestry through the female line, and the [eastern Aegean] islands off Anatolia, along with the Black Sea coastal regions, are famed, in Ancient Greek legends, for their female chieftains - and warriors.

Ray





Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:59:24 +0100

Hello, I am Hans, and I am from Mexico

I send you this mail because i would like that you give me a excelent explanation of the poltergeist phenomenon becuase I have investigated a lot of information related with this strange phenomenon that occurrs in nature and I have concluded that both marian apparitions (Guadalupe,fatima, medjugorje, garabandal, zeitun and so on), psyquic people or mediums, spirits of the dead and UFOs are able to produce poltergeist activity or poltergeist phenomena.
the pages where I found information that links the UFO phenomenon with the Poltergeist phenomenon were:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Are-UFOs-of-the-Demonic
http://hubpages.com/hub/Are-UFOs-Demonic-PART-TWO
http://hubpages.com/hub/Are-UFOs-Demonic-PART-THREE

In part three is where a greater emphasis is done to point out the many many similarities between poltergeist and UFO phenomenon

I want to say too that the marian appartions and the UFO and Poltergeist phenomenon share each other many many similarities too

Becaue of this, I am convinced that both marian aparitions, psyquic skills of human beings, spirits of the dead , UFOs and Poltergeist phenomena are strongly phenomena linked

For example, in the marian apartion in portugal were seen silvered flying saucers that behaved like a sun that scared people and the poltergeist phenomena were witnessed too. There is an book titled: Heavenly Lights - The Apparitions of Fatima and the UFO Phenomenon, the authors are: Joaquim Fernandes, Fina D'Armada. In internet you can find related information too.  In the another ones appartions what happens is the same.

I am convinced that the intelligence behind of the marian apparions are the UFOnauts

Before I thought that the UFOnauts were good, but, I have investigated so much information and my conclusion is: the UFOnauts seldom are beneficial for mankind.  I think that the UFO hypothesis must be included too to understand better the puzzle of the poltergeist phenomenon.

For example, both the Jaques Vallee (expert Ufologist) UFO classification system and Hynek (expert ufologist) UFO classification system, the poltergeist phenomena are listed as rare events that occur both UFO sightings and UFO abductions.

This is supported by the late prolific writer Scott Rogo who says in his book Miracles:

There are similarities in the deeper dynamics between UFOs, Poltergeists, Men in black, tulpas, Marian and mythological apparitions, but there are also several similarities between poltergeists and hauntings. What seems to distinguish these events is not in the phenomena themselves, but in the psychosocial dynamics in which they emerge. This finding constitutes an important opportunity for future research on all these phenomena, not only UFOs.

I think that one explanation for UFOS is that the crew that is aboard is an advanced civilization that knows the science behind of the poltergeist puzzle and applies this wisdom to terrorize to mankind to dominate it

This and more can also be found at the very useful website:
http://www.psican.org/alpha/index.php?/20090308225/Ufological-Information/The-Materiality-Of-UFOs.html

Because of this I would like that you give me the best explanation that you could give me about the poltergeist phenomenon considering the UFO phenomenon too

I know that at the present time, there are only 2 hypothesis for the poltergeist phenomenon, namely: human mind hypothesis and spirit/ghost hypotheis, but, I am convinced that the UFO hypothesis is another one cause that provokes poltergeist phenomena.  Unfortunately, almost nobody say that.

I think that if the aliens have got already the science behind of the poltergeist phenomenon, the mankind someday will get the science behind the poltergeist phenomenon too which would be very well for mankind because the mankind could teleport as do the aliens (poltergeist phenomenon that occur in some poltrergeist cases and hauntings and ufo/alien sightings or abductions) and have control of those strange phenomena when occur, so far, humanity has not control over the poltergeist phenomena .

I expect a good reply
Goodbye

Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 12:33:52 +0100
Hello Hans,
Thanks for your message, which - as you'd probably guessed - is interesting to me.

Although I don't (and can't, as an impartial `editor') make a definite claim of a link between `paranormal' events + legends and the modern problems of identifying / attributing causes of UFO / ET phenomena, we can see that from the accumulated evidence there's good reason to suspect such a linkage.  The big problem, as always, is that of collection and meaningful analysis of data.

Here's some evidence so far:
Marian apparitions and associated `UFO' sightings - fatima.html

ET/poltergeist linkage (from T Good) - ghosty.html#fort1

Specific folk legend linkage - the Green Man (and Green Girl) - green-man-search.html

Some traces and possible physical attributes - uef/wb2.html

Folk-legends survey - uef/xb.html
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And here's few opinions and speculations from modern investigators and authors: magic2.html

It's good that you have an interest in these happenings.  I hope you and all other interested folk will continue to gather the facts as they become available - and maybe let me know of any new stuff?

Best wishes
Ray D





Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:54:37 -0400

From: Ray Dickenson [HTML of follow-up to this post w/links]
Subject: Re: Our Need for Contact


>From: Kathy Kasten
>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:54:37 -0400
>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:01:05 +0000
>Subject: Re: Our Need for Contact

>snip<
>I find your response very typical of white european and doesn't
>consider the other side of the coin - as it were. So, I am going
>to stick with the attitude that "aliens" - who essentially would
>have to be called illegal aliens - would present more of a
>burden on people who already inhabit Earth. I am sure you would
>agree we are having a major problem trying to maintain stability
>without a bunch more problems brought here by "aliens." Gawd, my
>hope is that we are not being visited. Our social systems can't
>handle the problems we already have. Surely, you don't live in
>Pollyanna environment where every thing is just peachy keen and
>you stand with open arms not understanding or imagining the
>realistic meaning of contact.


Hi Kathy,

Have snipped your truisms and unjustified slurs because they are irrelevant.

To address your claim to 'victimhood', we are _all_ the descendants of oppressed folk, mainly because the oppressors tend to die out (it's called evolution), to be replaced in their turn by other selfish greedy types who are unconsciously choosing extinction.

But your desire for stability is even more misplaced - and dangerous.  Stability, whether social or scientific only means stagnation and eventual death.  Life has one main attribute: it's progressive, in that it tends to greater complexity, allowing multicelled animals for instance, and that attribute demands a certain position in phase-space:  the edge of chaos.

That might not be attractive to you, it certainly isn't for anal-retentive 'rulers' of any sort, but if we're not living on the edge of chaos then we're dead.  If we're going to profit from evolution - and that means being survivors - we have to be exposed to all possible dangers, because that's how evolution works.

And the biggest possible danger, and thefore source of evolutionary 'profit', is overt alien contact.

Cheers
Ray D




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