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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:57:10 GMT

Hello,
I am one of the webmaster for the "THE BELL WITCH HAUNTING" movie www.thebellwitchhaunting.com  (A film based on the legendary and true haunting that took place in the early 1800's to the John Bell family of Adams, TN) and "NIGHTMARES FROM THE MIND OF POE" film www.poenightmares.com  (A movie which brings to life four of the most well-known works by Edgar Allan Poe, the master of suspense and horror - THE RAVEN, THE CASK OF AMONTILLADO, PREMATURE BURIAL and THE TELL-TALE HEART).  We would like to exchange links with your organization.  I am enclosing a short synopsis of each movie and I will send a "Bell Witch Haunting" press release upon request.

Michael Ray
willingheartsinc at aol.com
Willing Hearts Productions.

"The Bell Witch Haunting" is a feature film based on America's most legendary and true haunting. The movie is a supernatural thriller that mixes a frightful ghost story and history to create an entertaining suspenseful account of actual events that happened from 1817 to 1821, in which a vengeful spirit tortured John Bell and his family, leaving him in a terrifying fight to save his children and his own life!  The DVD includes the 2-hour Feature Film, 45 minutes of Behind the Scenes and over 40 minutes of Deleted Scenes. The DVD, trailer, photos and information on the legend and movie are on the website www.thebellwitchhaunting.com.

"Nightmares from the Mind of Poe" is a feature film depicting four of Edgar Allan Poe's most well-known works of suspense and horror - "The Raven", "The Cask of Amontillado", "Premature Burial" and "The Tell-Tale Heart"...in Poe's words, the way he wrote them.  Throughout Edgar Allan Poe's life he was plagued with nightmares and the death of those he loved, which was the basis for many of his stories and poems.  In the film, because of the insomnia, sadness and despair that Poe experienced in real life, he often finds himself in the middle of his nightmares as the victim or antagonist.  The DVD, trailer, photos and information on Poe, the stories and movie are on the website www.poenightmares.com.



Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:49:48 GMT

breakthrough origin of life.  Creationists and evolutionists are both wrong; the irrefutable proof that randomness is not the cause of the origin of life can be seen with the naked eye through patterns in paleontology and wildlife.  When the causes of a particular law of physic is fully understood, the true story of life appears, revealing the meaning of life of all creatures:  the greatest discovery in mankind history.  If you like to read breaking news about the origin of life, please, check this website:
www.tiptopwebsite.com/originlife



Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 15:42:35 -0800 (PST)

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Hi,

The choices we make are our own, but there's also no denying that their impacts ripple out -- that they ultimately affect all of creation. It's also true that humanity has done a poor job of stewardship over the earth and its resources.

As a result, we have toxins that threaten our bodies, our families, and our environment. It's time, therefore, to live a vision of life beyond narrow materialism -- a vision that incorporates faith in something bigger.

"Mindful Living: Human Health, Pollution, and Toxics" is an education and worship resource for you, your family, your friends, or your faith community for living mindfully and respecting God's creation. Download it today, and please consider passing it along to family and friends who are faith-inspired.

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Thanks for your time!

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Care2 and ThePetitionSite

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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:08:10 GMT

Science & Occultism

It is amateur and irresponsible to ignore "occult" phenomena.  There are at least a dozen inventions, including Xerox and a number of devices for the handicapped, originated, developed and finished solely by occult means, including ouija board, invisible-hand writing, dreams etc.  Once PARADE magazine cited them all.  The XXEROX inventor was a Church member of prominence.  Occultism was a common link for the royalties and nobilities and seats of powers of all cultures.  Babylon, Greece, U.k., U.S.A, India, Iran and others are too well known for occult fortunes and creativities.  To immagine that these are some "abstract", metaphysical nebulous energy floating around and permeating human neuronal acivities will be a serious mistake.  Since they are invisible, but very "PERSONAL" and REAL, imitating humans.  I am inclined to posit that some kind of non-entropic dark matter atoms are involved to form very real and intransient but "invisible beings".  The humans themselves may have "Invisible Homo Sapiens" existing and functioning parallel to the visible body.

ORDINARY & EXTRAORDINARY MATERIALISM
The Invisible Homo Sapiens
Chemical bonds exist because of stable Duet or Octet electron configurations and electron spins.  If there are three dark matter particles (of negligible mass and zero charge) corresponding to electron, proton and neutron in humans they may form a Dark Aufbau and a hierarchy of dark atoms, dark molecules, dark cells, dark brain etc and a Dark Body parallel to their visible counter parts.  Perhaps positive and negative gravitons or an as yet unknown force also may be involved.

What is the point?  Nothing much, but a mere Invisible Homo sapiens coupled parallel to the visible human body may exist.  How about plants and animals and artificial intelligence (AI)?  Plants may have only one type of Dark Matter that corresponding to electrons only.  Animals may have an additional type corresponding to protons also.  But these will not complete a Dark matter body in plants or animals.  AI will have no Dark Matter particles coupled to any visible particles since there is no visible or dark DNA to govern these processes.  The decreasing intensities of biophoton emission in the living cells of plants, animals and humans support this view.  There is also theoretical basis to show that biophoton emission may be the result of interactions of Dark Matter particles with the visible particles.

The clearly observable taxonomic differences in spite of the close genomic similarities may be accounted for as follows: Type 1 Axions may be universally present across the taxa.  Type II Axions may be present in animals and humans only, not in plants.  Type III Axions may be present only in Humans.

Thus, only humans will have a complete hierarchy of Dark Bodies resulting in the INVISIBLE HOMO SAPIENS existing parallel to the visible human body.  Since axions are non-electric, the axion body will be intransient being not governed by entropy, and will easily go through all material barriers.  Animals will have less complete and plants the least complete form of Dark Bodies.  Biophoton Emission seems to support this, plants emitting about 10 times more than animals.  There are theoretical grounds to show that biophoton emission is a consequence of dark matter interaction with elementary particles.  The binding capcity of axions to the visible atoms may exponentially increase with each addition of the axion type, making human dark cells 3^3 = 9 times more stable than plant dark cells.

So, Materialism to be valid must have two components:
1. Ordinary Materialism dealing with Light Matter, and
2. Extra Ordinary Materialism dealing with Dark Matter or Dark Materialism.

References
Noetic Journal Vol 4 # 4, 351-360, 2003,
[Nobelist Sir John Eccles Centennial Edition].
Dark Chemistry or Psychic Spin Pixel?  NeuroQuantology, June 2007, Vol. 5 # 2, 197-204
Dark Matter & Dark Chemistry NeuroQuantology September 2007, Vol 5 # 3, 322-326...
noeticcenter.tripod.com
noeticcenter.tripod.com/blog/
noeticcenter.tripod.com/periodictableofpersonalities

www.kjf.ca/95-R4BEN.htm
www.kjf.ca/95-C6BEN.htm
www.kjf.ca/

www.whatsnextnetwork.com/~12/06/06

"Axion" has been detected - Tiny particle with no charge, very low mass and lifetime much shorter than a nanosecond.

Particle Physics: The first axion?
Nature 441, 31-32 (4 May 2006) | doi:10.1038/441031a; Published online 3 May 2006

Philip Benjamin, PhD




Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:24:50 GMT

I was looking at your westward page, googled "Yü-chi", and got here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuchi

An isolated Native American tribe, with the same name (well sort of) with an isolated language (not sure if its proto-indo)  Their name means "children of the sun"!

Hi, that's interesting.  Hadn't thought to look-up the name.  More stuff at www.yuchi.org/




Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 15:23:44 GMT

Hello,
Can anyone advise me re 'enhancers'?
Over the years have had brief attempts at EVP.  Got an Olympus digital voice recorder now, but just want any advice re the correct / best enhancer for this and making existing recordings more audible - whenever poss.

Have asked one or two groups but none have replied.

Am I asking daft questions?  Hope you will reply with any help.

Regards,
Eileen
(address supplied)

If you've got any info for Eileen - maybe paste it in here - R.D

A bit later - Google turned up some pages, www.aaevp.com/techniques/techniques_evp7.htm has useful details





Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:47:34 GMT

This concern precession effect that might interest you, with revolutionary discoveries of a universal singularity.

www.wefooleffect.com/WFE%20on%20polar%20vortex.htm




Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 01:52:54 GMT

Maybe you will enjoy my work at www.circular-theory.com;  we seem to have come up with similar ideas about the problem with hierarchies (triangles); see what you think;
thanks in advance for your time;

Sincerely,
Ilexa Yardley

Hello Ilexa,
Sorry for delay - just catching up with mail.
Thanks for your message.  It is featured at ~, and flagged at News page
Certainly agree about the misplaced belief in hierarchies (triangles) - hope to read deeper later.
best regards
[R.D]





Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:10:45 GMT

I found your site Perceptions for the first time last night.  I was attacked by negative entities after going to bed.  Either your site is a draeing instrament to attract souls that already think along the lines of your postings or it is beging monitored by others that pray on your readers.
Prayer for those logging onto your site
As I enter here, I ask to be surrounded in the White Light, calling upon my Spirit Warriors to shield me from all vibrations that are not of the highest Order, and asking that those unwelcomed energies be bound back to there source - as is appropriate to their evolutionary pace.
I send my grounding cord into the below, dropping like an ananchor deep within the body of the Mother, as I hook solidly to the Earth.
And as I embark upon this journey, I ask that the Light Ones guide the way, infusing the grid with the light strings of the Universe.

Hello Friend.  Possibly `darker forces' might dislike the site, yet you seem to have missed the brighter future - like it says here.
regards
[R.D]





Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:31:07 -0500 Subject: Do Black Budget Trillions Support A Secret Am.Space Program?

Do Black Budget Trillions Support A Secret American Space Program?

www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1346&category=Environment
© 2007 by Linda Moulton Howe

Jane's Intelligence Briefing, 1997 - No. 1: "The aero-diamond's aerospike engine and diamond platform could propel the craft to speeds of Mach 14."

November 20, 2007 Elmhurst, Illinois - The whole world knows about September 11, 2001, when the two World Trade towers melted down to New York City streets after terrorist-controlled airliners flew into them. The day before, on September 10th, 2001, then Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, declared his own war on the Pentagon bureaucracy for wasting so much unaccounted money. Sec. Rumsfeld said, "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions."

One of Rumsfeld's worried employees was Jim Minnery from the Defense Department's Finance and Accounting Service. He backed up Rumsfeld by saying, "We know the money is gone. But we don't know what they spent it on." Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, risked his job by speaking out about millions of dollars missing from Department of Defense (DOD) balance sheets. Twenty years earlier in the early 1980s, Department of Defense Analyst Franklin Spinney also made headlines exposing what he called "accounting games in which the books are cooked routinely year after year."

Trillions of dollars "cooked" - by whom? And for what reason? These questions were behind one of the presentations at the Las Vegas UFO Crash Retrieval Conference November 10-11, 2007. Michael Schratt, 38-year-old, has always had a passion for studying airplanes and even took some Parks College courses in aerospace engineering in St. Louis. He did not earn a degree, but he went on to become an autocad draftsman working on aerospace components. Today, he is an Aerospace draftsman for Armstrong Aerospace based in Elmhurst Illinois.

Michael has a theory about where all the black budget DOD trillions have been going over the past 60 years: to fund a TOP SECRET space program that no citizen in the United States knows about - including most of Congress. If true, it means that NASA is only public window dressing for a much bigger and more advanced American clandestine program to dominate and weaponize space. Schratt thinks it all began in the 1940s when Presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman realized that non-human, "celestial" and "interplanetary" technologies were interacting with our planet. By 1958, the public arm of a space program - NASA - is what Michael Schratt thinks was created in parallel with another secret space program.
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Interview:
Michael Schratt, Aerospace Draftsman, Armstrong Aerospace, Elmhurst, Illinois: "We're spending multiple billions of dollars on classified black budget programs with no Congressional oversight whatsoever. One quick example is a document that I ran across at the Library of Congress, which is directly in back of the Capitol in Washington, D. C. There you can pick up a document called, "DOD Budget for Fiscal Year 1994" or whatever year.

The new budget is handed out to Congress every January and the document has the subtitle: RD T&E Programs (R-1), which stands for Research Development Test & Evaluation Programs R-1. It's approximately 24 pages in length and when you go through this document, it starts to describe a number of programs that the Air Force is involved in and the funding for particular programs and they are called "Program Elements" or "Line Item Numbers."

When you look through the budget document, it gives you specific details about a number of programs they are working on, such as Foreign Technology Division. And in the lists, it highlights programs called Senior Year and Forest Green.  Department of the U. S. Air Force Budget for Year 1994 RDT&E Program. Red dots highlight SENIOR YEAR and FOREST GREEN, for which there is no budget amounts given, in contrast to the budget amounts given in upper half of the page.
[ Editor's Note: An Earthfiles reader searched Code Names: DECIPHERING U.S. MILITARY PLANS, PROGRAMS AND OPERATIONS IN THE 9/11 WORLD © 2005 by William M. Arkin ISBN 1-58642-083-6 by Steerforth Press and found the following information:  FOREST GREEN: 1. Sensors aboard the nuclear detonation detection system satellites. 2. Possible clandestine air force intelligence program, a classified location of the DOD Intelligence Information System (DODIIS)

FOREST has also been a US-Japanese first word SENIOR YEAR: (SYERS) U-2 Contingency Airborne Reconnaissance System (CARS) Electro-Optical/Infrared (EO/IR) reconnaissance system. The SENIOR YEAR program was a special access program until July 1999.

SENIOR was/is an Air Force special access program and reconnaissance-related first word. Historically, it has included code names for foreign operations such as SENIOR BOOK (Taiwanese U-2 operations over China) SENIOR LOOK (U-2 operations in Europe), and various Cold War reconnaissance. ]

I believe that we are definitely running two space programs: one space program in the form of a public relations space program like we see in NASA. Then the other is a much more privatized defense contractor program that is exempt from Congressional oversight.

I did interview a number of retired Skunk Works engineers who did work on those programs and said they did reach the flying status, so a number of those programs were a flying prototype. Black Space Program to Interact with Non-Human Presence?

Wright-Patterson AFB Hangar #4, Bay E. Michael Schratt: "Retired USAF pilot Warren Botz said that in 1966 he saw a large, 116-foot-diameter man-made flying saucer in this hangar during a 'Flying Tigers' reunion. The below diagrams of the MacDill discs near the WPAFB hangar. This might help others to identify/remember that 'flying disc' was located in that particular hangar back in 1966. Just for reference, four sizes were seen at MacDill AFB by Jack Pickett during September of 1967, with only the large 116-foot-diameter craft seen by Warren Botz at WPAFB (both men are still alive). " Image © 2003 by Michael Schratt. 1967, MacDill USAF classified "flying disc," Tampa, Florida. Image from Michael Schratt.
Illustration of 1966-1967 USAF "manmade flying disc" in flight © 2007 by Gino Marcomini.

WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION FROM EVERYTHING YOU'VE COMBED THROUGH ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE ONES THAT DON'T GET DEVELOPED - AND EVEN THOSE THAT GET TO THE MODEL STAGE AND THEN ARE SCRAPPED - THAT IT COULD BE A COVER, CAMOUFLAGE, FOR A HUGE BLACK PROGRAM WHICH WE WONDER IS RELATED TO OUR GOVERNMENT'S EFFORTS TO INTERACT WITH A NON-HUMAN PRESENCE?

That could be. And I can highlight a document that was written by Mr. Ben Rich, the former head of Lockheed Skunk Works just after Kelly Johnson. Rich took over the reins from Johnson back in 1975. Ben Rich was a very close friend of John Andrews, who was the Senior Special Projects of Special Divisions at Testor's Model Corporation in San Diego, California.

UFOs, Both E. T. and Manmade:
"Unfunded Opportunities"
John would ask Ben Rich questions about classified aircraft and Ben never released any specific classified answers, but he did provide John Andrews some interesting points. One of these points was a question that John posed to Ben Rich. He was asking Ben if he was a believer in manmade UFOs and extraterrestrial UFOs. We have Ben's response - I'm looking at this document. It's dated July 21, 1986. It's on official Lockheed letterhead from Ben Rich.

Ben Rich and the F-117A Nighthawk. Benjamin Robert Rich (June 18, 1925 - January 5, 1995) was the second director of Lockheed's Skunk Works from 1975 to 1991, succeeding its founder, Kelly Johnson. Regarded as the "father of stealth," Ben Rich was responsible for leading the development of the F-117, the first production stealth aircraft. He also worked on the F-104, U-2, SR-71, A-12, and F-22 among others, many of which are still classified.

'July 21, 1986
Dear John:
Yes, I'm a believer in BOTH categories. I feel everything is possible. Many of our manmade UFOs were unfunded opportunities. In both categories, there are a lot of geeks and charlatans. Be cautious.'
So, the question is: what exactly did Ben Rich mean when he talked about 'unfunded opportunities'? Was he speaking of classified programs within the Skunk Works that did not get proper funding? Or, was he speaking of hand-me-downs that we received from others?

Technology "To Take E. T. Home"
ISN'T IT BEN RICH WHO SPOKE ONLY A FEW YEARS AGO AT A MEETING IN CALIFORNIA AND SAID WE HAD THE TECHNOLOGY 'TO TAKE E. T. HOME'?
That's exactly correct, Linda. I have that quote right here. Mr. Ben Rich passed away in 1995 and before he passed away, he dropped a number of bombshells. This took place at Wright-Patterson AFB back in 1993. He gave a slide presentation there and also at the UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech - he gave on March 23, 1993. At the very end of his presentation, in both of these venues, he completed his slides with the following quote: 'The U. S. Air Force has just given us a contract to take E. T. back home.'

He also mentioned, 'We also know how to travel to the stars.' And he also mentioned at the UCLA speech, 'It is time to end all secrecy on this as it no longer poses a national security threat and to make the technology available for use in the private sector.' That's exactly what we're talking about here.

He was telling us about a whole level of aircraft, of spacecraft, of advanced propulsion systems that are so far advanced. He even mentioned technologies that are 50 years beyond even what we could possibly dream of. Now, when you hear that coming from the Director of the Skunk Works, I think it is important to really take that to heart. This gentleman knew something and he was trying to tell us something. And I think this is the space program that none of us have a clue about in the civilian sector. This is what Ben Rich was trying to tell us about.
THAT THERE IS A SECOND, SECRET PARALLEL SPACE PROGRAM TO NASA.  Absolutely - 100%.

"Lifting Body" Demonstrated At Norton AFB on November 12, 1988

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER DETAILS TO FILL IN ABOUT WHO THE ASTRONAUTS COULD BE AND WHAT MIGHT BE THE CURRENT MOST CUTTING EDGE AERIAL CRAFT WE MIGHT HAVE IN SECRET?

I do not know who the secret astronaut corps would be, but I do have at least an idea of some of the craft they might fly. I will reference an event that took place on November 12, 1988 - this is two days after the F-117A was declassified and put into the public domain. This was an exhibit to garner support for black budget aerospace programs. We know that California Congressman George Brown, Jr., was present. We also know that U. S. Senator Alan Cranston was present and a number of high-level military brass was also present at this classified exhibit. This was not open to the general public.

Now, one aerospace engineer who did come forward and provide details - he was actually at this exhibit. He mentioned that there were a number of aircraft in this hangar. There were two semi-classified hovercraft that have now since gone into the commercial industry. He also described a flattened football, diamond-shaped aircraft.
Reference: Aviation Week & Space Technology December 24, 1990, has a very good drawing, a schematic of what this particular aircraft looked like.

Roughly it was 100 feet in length and approximately 65 feet wide - completely composed of heat-ablative thermo-resistance space shuttle tiles - the same tiles that you would see on the space shuttle.
[ Editor's Note: Thermal Protection System (TPS) reinforced carbon-carbon that can withstand up to 3,000 degrees F. on reentry into Earth's atmosphere.]

On control surfaces along the leading and trailing edges of the aircraft; tricycle landing gear with wire mesh wheels; and this was a completely unmanned aircraft. This was one of the aircraft that was at the 1988 exhibit. This was an unmanned aerial vehicle that had 121 launch tubes at the lower portion of the fuselage. They had the capability of launching a 1/10th megaton warhead at less than 1/10th of a second. There were 18 of these aircraft built during the Reagan Administration.

THAT MEANS THE NUCLEAR MISSILES COULD BE LAUNCHED FROM HIGH IN OUR ATMOSPHERE WITHOUT HAVING PILOTS INSIDE THOSE AIRPLANES?

That's exactly correct. They could be to the Soviet Union in less than three hours and then be back home and the Soviet Union would not even know what was going on because these things are extremely stealthy and could not be intercepted via missiles or aircraft.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THESE AIRCRAFT ARE TODAY?

No one knows, but I can only guess that some of them are at a remote facility at Eglin AFB, Florida. They could also be at an underground facility called 'Dyson's Dock' at the remote test site in Nevada, also known as 'Area 51.'  And then also the third option is Edwards North Base, Mohave, California.

Electrostatic Reduction of Wing Drag Saves Fuel - Why No Application to Civilian Aircraft?

IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE FASCINATING BUT DISTURBING PART WAS A DRAWING FOR A PLANE OF A MILITARY APPLICATION IN WHICH ELECTROSTATIC FIELDS WERE PLACED ON THE FRONT OF THE WINGS AND I THINK AND IN THE TAIL IN ORDER TO REDUCE DRAG.

That's correct. Now, this comes from March 9, 1992, Aviation Week & Space Technology. That is the reference for this and you will recall that twenty-one Northrup B-2 ATV stealth bombers have been built at the cost of $2.2 billion per aircraft. The Northrup engineers who worked on the program were getting really disgusted that the technologies associated with the B-2 were not being trickled down into the commercial airline industry. That's why they came forward.
Text and illustrations above and below by Michael Schratt.

What the engineers said is that a number of technologies that are actually in use on the B-2 were classified technologies. One of them referenced, 'T. T. Brown [Townsend Brown] Electrogravitic Patent No. 3,187, 206, specifically talking about how the B-2 electrically charges the leading edge of the wing to reduce the radar cross section. Then it negatively charges the exhaust gases to reduce the infrared signature. They also found out that a 1968 report from Northrup Grumman Corp. was that when you electrically charge the leading edge of the wing, there is a resulting drag coefficient reduction up to 60%. That could be retrofitted to the commercial airline industry, but it's not happening. And that's why the engineers came forward.

IF WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE DRAG ON OUR AIRLINERS BY 60%, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE FUEL DEMAND BY A LARGE AMOUNT.
That's exactly correct, yes. The implications are staggering and this has so many applications, but is not being used and that was the reason Northrup engineers came forward. And I certainly hope some day we do see this technology.

IN A DAY AND AGE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ARE FIGHTING FOR EVERY DROP OF OIL AND JET FUEL THAT WE CAN GET, ISN'T THERE SOMETHING CRIMINAL ABOUT THE SEPARATION AND SUPPRESSION OF ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES FROM CIVILIAN APPLICATIONS?
I could not agree more, Linda. It's our Constitutional obligation to question authority and that's what we are doing tonight. I think an accounting should be made of these programs. They should be brought out into the light. Many of these programs represent absolutely no threat to the national security. That's why I think they should be exposed.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THIS OTHER SECRET OPENED UP?
I think it would take a massive effort of engineers who have worked on the program willing to come forward with the hardware to back it up. We just can't have only lights in the sky and we can't just have testimonies and documents.

It's got to be a full frontal attack. We've got to have the actual hardware.

You and I both know that the U. S. Air Force, the industrial-military complex privatized sector, they have archives, buildings, storage facilities with gun camera footage, with documentation, black and white glossy old time photos officially stamped 'USAF Photographs' that used to be at MacDill AFB, Florida, Armed Guard facility. These facilities do exist. Some of the secrets are in those and it's my goal to at least tap into some of that.

THE PHOTOS YOU ARE REFERENCING WOULD BE SUPPRESSED GOVERNMENT PHOTOS OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS THAT ARE NOT FROM EARTH?
Some of them that used to be classified programs that did have stability problems and those photographs have never been seen, yes. But they were manmade craft.

SO THEY ARE MANMADE CRAFT PERHAPS MIMICING SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BACK-ENGINEER (OF AN ALIEN SOURCE)?
That's a very high possibility, yes, and that's exactly what Ben Rich might have been alluding to when he made that comment about 'unfunded opportunities.'
"Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV)" Norton AFB, November 12, 1988

WHEN YOU TAKE ALL OF THE RESEARCH THAT YOU HAVE DONE, WHAT WAS YOUR OWN GREATEST SHOCK?
My greatest shock - I would have to say there were two shocks. Shock # 1 came when I got some details about the other aircraft at Norton AFB that looked like a flattened football, plus a group of other aircraft - and we can't even call them aircraft because they don't work on the principles of aerodynamic lift.
Illustration based on eyewitness descriptions of Norton AFB, California, Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV) © by Mark McCandlish.

These were three craft measuring 24, 60 and 130 feet in diameter. They looked like a classic flying saucer, or almost like a Jell-o mold. There was an upper crew compartment that looked somewhat like a sphere with composite panels about a 35-degree angle from the centerline of the craft. The smallest craft had a crew of four that used off-the-shelf components. Now, that was very much stressed - off-the-shelf components. This was a completely manmade craft. An ejection system taken directly off the F4 Phantom was used on this particular 'Jell-o mold' craft. There were six CCD cameras along the circumference of the upper crew compartment and one on top for a total of seven (cameras). They could all be used in conjunction with each other and produce an artificial image on the inside of the pilot's visor via the Apache display system. Now, along the central column, we believe there was a nuclear containment device and an articulated arm on the lower portion of the craft and a number of copper capacitor plates that used the Biefeld-Brown effect.
[ Editor's Note: Wikipedia - The Biefeld-Brown effect is an effect that was discovered by Thomas Townsend Brown and Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld. The effect is more widely referred to as electrohydrodynamics (EHD), or sometimes electro-fluid-dynamics, a counterpart to the well-known magneto-hydrodynamics. Extensive research was performed during the 1950s and 1960s on the use of this electric propulsion effect during the publicized era of gravity control propulsion research.

During 1964, Major De Seversky published his related work in U. S. Patent 3,130,945, and with the aim to forestall any possible misunderstanding about these devices, had termed these flying machines "ionocrafts." Similar modern flying devices are now called EHD thrusters.]

These craft were hovering off the floor and they were bobbing, just like you would see a large tanker at port, just bobbing on their own waves.

The U. S. military general who was giving the lecture at this exhibit stated that these craft could do light speed, or better. So, I think that was one of my first shocks. That demonstration coincided with a public Norton AFB Air Show, which was public. But the exhibit (of Jell-o mold craft) inside the big hangar was not public.

Interestingly, at the Vegas Crash Retrieval Conference, I received a comment from a man who said he was at Norton AFB at the time and he said that base just prior to the air show went on lock down and they had dogs all over the place and armored personnel, military police and it was very unprecedented.

DO YOU THINK THE 'JELLO MOLD' LIFTING BODY WAS LITERALLY NON-HUMAN TECHNOLOGY AND NOT BACK-ENGINEERED?
Well, the craft had two code names. It was called the 'Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV)' and it was also called the 'Fluxliner' because it was based on high voltage electricity. The gentleman that I spoke to stressed that this was off-the-shelf components. There was nothing alien specifically about the components of the aircraft. However, it might have been based on something that was alien and hence the name, 'Alien Reproduction Vehicle.'

They had a small VCR connected to a monitor showing this craft making hops, high speed hops - hopping and stopping and then moving and then making a hopping motion and they were showing this thing in motion. There was nobody in the cockpit when they had these on display. They were unmanned, but they did have the capability of being manned.

Was Neutralizing Gravity Technology Available by 1960 and Applied to Secret Space Program?
So, the implications are that if you look at the reference works and the literature from the vintage 1950s talking about atomic-powered spacecraft and nuclear-powered aircraft, it's clear that the nuclear energy for aircraft propulsion program in the 1950s, we were already working on ways to crack the gravity barrier. By 1960, I believe we had the first working prototype. Now, that's nine years before astronaut Neil Armstrong landed at Tranquility Base on the moon. That might be one reason why Neil Armstrong doesn't talk about Apollo 11 because he knows he was not the first man on the moon.

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT BEFORE ARMSTRONG LANDED ON THE MOON, THERE WERE EITHER NON-HUMAN CRAFT ALREADY UP THERE? OR A SECRET SPACE PROGRAM FLIGHT MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN TO THE MOON BEFORE THE OFFICIAL NASA SPACE PROGRAM?
Yes, Linda, that is consistent with the literature. The literature in the aerospace industry starting in 1955 was just full of references of atomic-powered spacecraft, nuclear engines, things that could be retrofitted to trans-atmospheric vehicles. By 1960, all of that was completely expunged from the literature 100%. So, it's clear they made a breakthrough somewhere around 1960 where they started with these prototypes. That's why I believe that we already had a flying prototype at that time that could probably get to the moon.

The implications of what that means to NASA while it is still using Nazi SS liquid rocket technology that's been obsolete for over 60 years is ridiculous!

YOU MEAN THE SHUTTLES ARE BEING BLASTED UP INTO THE AIR IN A CRUDER TECHNOLOGY WHILE MORE SOPHISTICATED LIFTING BODIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THE SECRET AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM?
Absolutely. The whole liquid rocket launch concept is flawed. There is a much better way to access space, and THEY (powers-that-be-in-secret-programs) know it.

MICHAEL, CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW ENRAGED THE NASA EMPLOYEES AND ADMINISTRATORS WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT A SECRET SPACE PROGRAM WOULD BE IF THEY KNEW?
Not only do they not know, but less than 5% of Congress knows and in many cases, our presidents don't know either.

THE PROBABILITY IS THAT THE IMPETUS OF THE SECRET AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM WAS THE NON-HUMAN PRESENCE AND CRASH RETRIEVALS OF THEIR DISC TECHNOLOGIES. I WONDER WHETHER THE SECRET SPACE PROGRAM HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN ALLIANCE WITH THOSE NON-HUMANS OR IN SPITE OF THOSE NON-HUMANS?
That's a really good question. Certainly we have a number of craft that certainly seem to mimic what we would classify as extraterrestrial vehicles. HOW DO WE PROVE THIS?

We'd have to speak to some of the engineers who worked directly on the program from Lockheed and also from SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation) in San Diego, California. They are aware of these craft, too.

HOW IRONIC IF IT IS GOING TO BE IF THE CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES OF GLOBAL WARMING AND THE DECLINE OF FOSSIL FUELS ARE WHAT FINALLY FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY HAVE HIDDEN FOR SIXTY YEARS.
I think that is something they might not have considered when they started the secret space program. They didn't think about the environmental implications of keeping this under wraps. And now that we are so bogged down in so many environmental issues, we desperately need this technology. It's their decision whether they want to release the information or not, but it's clear that the time has come for this to be brought out into the open."
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:57:20 -0600 From: updates at disclosureproject.org Subject: [Disclosure Project] OPEN LETTER TO GOVERNOR SYMINGTON AND JAMES FOX

www.disclosureproject.org/PressReleaseNov142007.htm

THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT
STEVEN M. GREER MD, DIRECTOR

14 November 2007

Dear Governor Symington and Mr. Fox,

Congratulations on an excellent press conference on Monday. We are heartened to see the process of Disclosure continuing and that some of the witnesses and materials brought forward by The Disclosure Project (www.disclosureproject.org/) are continuing to reach the public.

Regarding the request for a government/civilian panel to investigate the UFO matter, while we appreciate your laudable purpose in making this request, we are concerned about the unintended strategic consequences of such a process. To wit:

* It is important to realize that powerful and well-funded unacknowledged special access projects (USAPs) within sectors of the US and other governments, and working largely through `work for others' contracts with private institutes and corporations, have already been investigating the UFO/ET matter for decades.

* These projects are rogue, unconstitutional and transnational in nature. In briefings that I conducted personally for CIA Director R. James Woolsey, Defense Intelligence Agency Director General Patrick Hughes, the Director of Intelligence, Joint Staff (J2) and senior members of key Congressional committees (Senate Intelligence Committee, House Government Oversight committee, etc.) among others, it was made clear that the chain of command has been subverted. Even after providing current project code names and numbers to J2, and after he subsequently located one of these USAPs within the Pentagon and demanded to be `read into' (or briefed) on the operation, this Admiral informed us that he was denied access to these projects.

* The science and technology behind these ET vehicles have been studied since at least the 1940's and have been largely understood and reproduced. Their energy and propulsion systems, once disclosed, would eliminate the need for oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, public utilities and so forth. Many UFO sightings are, in fact, of these advanced aircraft which have been developed by Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, SAIC and other military contractors and were operational by the late 1950s.

* Importantly, in 1969 the Condon Committee at the University of Colorado, a panel much like what you are recommending, became a fraud perpetrated on the public, and its chairman, Dr. Condon, was a secret, unacknowledged CIA asset (after briefing CIA Director Woolsey and making a FOIA request, we obtained a CIA document that establishes this fact). Dr. Robert Wood, then of McDonnel Douglas Aerospace, was involved with the Condon Committee and discovered that Dr. Condon was sanitizing any credible evidence from the report and even withheld such evidence from other panel members (see www.disclosureproject.org/ witness testimony by Dr. Wood). When Dr. Wood challenged Dr. Condon on this behavior, Dr. Condon contacted Mr. McDonnel directly and attempted to get Dr. Wood fired. Any such committee today would most likely be a similar corrupt hoax and would seriously set-back Disclosure and only deepen the cover-up.

* In light of the above, we recommend a strategy to have open, secrecy-free hearings before a relevant Congressional committee, such as the House Government Oversight Subcommittee for domestic affairs, chaired by UFO-observer Rep. Dennis Kucinich, or some other committee headed by a similarly honest and trustworthy chairperson. Alternatively, a hearing by the UN or the World Court would be an acceptable venue.

* Importantly, since The Disclosure Project now has over 400 military, government, corporate and intelligence witnesses from around the world, as well as corroborating official documents and project code numbers and names, such a pool of witnesses testifying before an open, televised hearing would as sure honest, real-time Disclosure. This process, so long as open and conducted by an honest chairperson, would be much less likely to be corrupted than a government panel investigation.

I wish you great success in your important work towards disclosing the truth about UFOs and wish to assure you that all of us at The Disclosure Project stand ready to assist you and this process in every way we can. Please feel free to contact me at any time to discuss this matter further.

Best always,

Steven M. Greer MD
Director
The Disclosure Project

Yup - and some want Symington to answer this question - "Who ordered you to initially mock the Phoenix sightings - one of which you later confessed to seeing yourself?"
Mainly because we wonder what would've been the punishment if he hadn't complied?
RD





Date: Mon 12 Nov 2007, 22:03 GMT Subject: Former pilots and officials call for new U.S. UFO probe

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich may have been ridiculed for saying he had seen a UFO, but for some former military pilots and other observers, unidentified flying objects are no laughing matter.

An international panel of two dozen former pilots and government officials called on the U.S. government on Monday to reopen its generation-old UFO investigation as a matter of safety and security given continuing reports about flying discs, glowing spheres and other strange sightings.

"Especially after the attacks of 9/11, it is no longer satisfactory to ignore radar returns ... which cannot be associated with performances of existing aircraft and helicopters," they said in a statement released at a news conference.

The panellists from seven countries, including former senior military officers, said they had each seen a UFO or conducted an official investigation into UFO phenomena.

The subject of UFOs grabbed the spotlight in the U.S. presidential race last month when Kucinich, a member of Congress from Ohio, said during a televised debate with other Democratic candidates that he had seen one.

Former presidents Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter are both reported to have claimed UFO sightings.

Most turn out to be misidentified aircraft, satellites or meteors. A panellist who once worked for Britain's Ministry of Defense said 5 percent of incidents cannot be explained.

But the sightings are often dismissed by authorities without proper investigations, UFO activists say.

"It's a question of who you going to believe: your lying eyes or the government?" remarked John Callahan, a former Federal Aviation Administration investigator, who said the CIA in 1987 tried to hush up the sighting of a huge lighted ball four times the size of a jumbo jet in Alaska.

The panel, organized by a group dedicated to winning credibility for the study of UFOs, urged Washington to resume UFO investigations through the U.S. Air Force or NASA.

"It would certainly, I think, take a lot of angst out of this issue," said former Arizona Gov. Fife Symington, who said he was among hundreds who saw a delta-shaped craft with enormous lights silently traverse the sky near Phoenix in 1997.

The Air Force investigated 12,618 UFO reports from 1947 to 1969 in what was known as Project Blue Book. Investigators concluded that the incidents posed no threat and there was no evidence of space aliens or a super technology in operation.

"Since the termination of Project Blue Book, nothing has occurred that would support a resumption of UFO investigations," the Air Force said on its Web site.

(Reporting by David Morgan; Editing by Joanne Kenen, David Alexander, Stuart Grudgings) (c) Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved.

africa.reuters.com/world/news/usnN12484197.html




Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:24:47 -0500 Subject: Charles Hall's New book Millenial Hospitality IV is now out! Encounters with the tall whites in area 51 From: "COURTROOMEVIDENCE456"

I have met Charles Hall and find him most creditable!  I hope you will enjoy reading his books as much as I have.

Lyle Michel
court room evidence

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Editorial Reviews

Book Description
In the first three volumes of his memoirs concerning experiences while serving at Nellis Air Force Base, Charles Hall gave astonishing testimony of having met with 'Tall White' extraterrestrials located at a secret underground facility at Nellis.  Three independent witnesses have come forward to confirm important parts of Hall's testimony.  Hall is a credible witness of extraterrestrials having reached agreements with U.S. military officials.  This fourth volume offers more startling details that help confirm his experiences and help usher in new era of official disclosure of extraterrestrial life.

Micheal E. Salla, Ph.D.
President and Founder,
The Exopolitics Institute

Charles Hall's report (Millennial Hospitality I-III) of his encounters and deep interactions with tall humanoid beings living on the USAF Nellis Range remains without serious challenge to this day.  And this is remarkable, as its implications are so radical; they reveal an entrenched presence in the American Southwest that predates the arrival of Euro-Americans in the area, and that continues with covert protection and support from the U.S. government while maintaining communications with a distant home location.  Hall's powerful and entirely self-consistent narrative, filled with surprising and revealing detail, is so impressive that I have chosen it as the only example of modern human-ET contact to receive major coverage in my web pages.

Gerry Zeitlin,
"Open Seti Initiative" www.openseti.org


It is possible that eventually the story Charles Hall tells will be seen as a pivotal moment in UFOlogy.  His story has become the key to linking a disparate series of reports, encounters and claims that have circulated in UFO circles without a home for many years.  This fourth and final account gives us the most detailed look ever into one aspect of a covert military-alien liaison that has been underway for decades.

Essential reading!

Warren P. Aston,
Researcher, Author.

Millennial Hospitality IV: After Hours (Paperback)
by Charles, James Hall (Author)

Hi Lyle,
`Millennial Hospitality IV, After Hours' is finally available!  We have ordered 110 hardcover which should arrive here soon.  Of course both hard and soft cover can be ordered through Authorhouse at 1 888 280 7715, or through any bookstore in the world.

Warmest regards, Marie Therese Hall
Home of Millennial Hospitality
www.millennialhospitality.com

Also available at Amazon.com




Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:03:18 -0400 From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO

Subject: New Revelations On Operation Saucer

Source: Brazilian UFO Magazine - www.ufo.com.br

Retired Lieutenant-Colonel discloses new revelations on Operation Saucer in the Amazon, 1977

Summary: Brazilian UFO Magazine locates another military to reveal info about Operation Saucer [Operacao Prato].  Upon the magazine's editor A. J. Gevaerd request, reporter Sidney Pereira Filho, from Belem newspaper O Liberal, finds Lieutenant Colonel Gabriel Brasil, who was a contemporary colleague to Uyrangê Hollanda during the occurrence of suck-suck [chupa-chupa] phenomenon in the Brazilian state of Para.

Introduction: Much is still to be clarified on the sightings and attacks against people occurred from 1974 to 1978 in the Brazilian state of Para, namely in Colares island, where the presence of the phenomenon known as suck-suck [chupa-chupa], which frightened the whole population in that vast area was, more intense.  As we know, in the year of 1977 the situation was unbearable to residents of the affected areas and in order to investigate those attacks the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) decided to launch an offensive named Operation Saucer [Operacao Prato], which started in September and ended in December that year.

The suck-suck or "vampire light" phenomenon, as referred to by river communities in the neighboring states of Para and Maranhao, was initially detected in the region of Gurupi River, which divides both states and where most serious cases ever found in Brazilian ufology would be later witnessed.  Unfortunately, Operation Saucer was launched in a moment when the attacks started to lose intensity.  However, the lives of people living in those areas were not easy until that happened.  Hundreds of assaults perpetrated by the lights were registered with at least four resulting in deaths.  That military mission was the greater initiative ever known in favor of an official investigation of the UFO phenomenon in Brazil and was classified as confidential pursuant to the Regulation for the Safeguard of Secret Affairs, a government secret file.

In most cases, the sightings occurred during the night when UFOs used to fly over little coastal and rural communities taking them into panic and terror.  Reports at the time say that the objects were normally round or cylinder-shaped with some rare occurrences of fish-shaped ones.  Many witnesses report that creatures similar to medium-height human beings were carried inside the aircraft.  In general, victims of suck-suck were adults, both males and females.  The incidents normally occurred in a casual manner, when they were in home, on the streets, or even in churches or schools.  According to Dr. Wellaide Cecim Carvalho, a physician sent by the Health Department of the State of Para to treat the victims and who served at the small health unit in Colares, nearly 60% to 70% of the vampire light victims were women [See Brazilian UFO Magazine editions 114 to 117].

Dr. Wellaide told Revista UFO that the wounds were first and second-degree burns, not over 15cm to 20cm in extension and mostly located in the thoracic region.  The most impressive feature was that the skin of victims assumed a rotten-like appearance, as if the attack had occurred days ago even when they happened only a few hours before.  Those attacked by suck- suck also complained of vertigo, pains in the body, shakings, prostration, drowsiness, weakness, hoarseness, hair loss, scaly of the injured skin and frequent headache.  "It seems those lights took not only the blood of the victims, but, as detected, also their vital energy, because they had no more forces to do anything", the doctor says.

The whole situation was already broadly approached and documented by Brazilian UFO Magazine, and the coverage included results obtained during Operation Saucer, although Brazilian authorities preferred to keep silent over the military mission carried out three decades before.  Thus, without an official announcement from the authorities, the Brazilian Ufological Community has relied on constant investigations in the region where the phenomena occurred, as well as on the cooperation of few military that decided to disclose what they knew.  Among these, the main contribution came from Colonel Uyrangê Hollanda, who guided the operation and gave a ground-shaking exclusive interview to Brazilian UFO Magazine 20 years after the end of operations.  Colonel Hollanda revealed details of procedures of the mission in the jungle and described how his men were face to face with extraterrestrials that drove the spaceships in Amazonia.

Now, ten years after Hollanda's historical interview, a new military source is willing to disclose what he knows on the Brazilian Air Force secret operations in the state of Para.  This man is Lieutenant-Colonel Gabriel Brasil, a retired air force official who still lives in the capital of Para.  Although initially a reserved person and hesitant regarding what to reveal in his statements, the official decided to tell much of what he had been keeping after a contact with Brazilian UFO Magazine's editor, A. J. Gevaerd.  Even without any direct participation in Operation Saucer he was in service at the I Regional Air Command (COMAR I) during the works of the operation and shared much information with the men involved, especially Colonel Uyrange Hollanda, who was his close friend for a long time.  As we all know, I Comar was the institution that controlled the activities of that operation.

Now retired, Gabriel Brasil still keeps in his personal files some copies of UFO pictures taken by Hollanda and his men in Colares.  He presented the material to this author, but most of them were already well known to the Brazilian Ufological Community for being many times published by Brazilian UFO Magazine.  During the interview, Brasil also described aircraft sightings he personally experienced in the 50s and 70s, stating that he considers the subject a serious and undeniable phenomenon.  During his years of service in the 80s, Lieutenant- Colonel was the chief of the extinct Belem Regional Service for Flight Protection (SRPV-BE).  At the same period, he was also a professor of the theory of ionospheric propagation at the Federal University of Para (UFPA), when he had one of the most remarkable sightings in his life.

"I was teaching at night and that time UFPA employees were on a strike.  Suddenly, the lights in the campus went off and I thought it were strikers preventing us from working.  I left the classroom with my students to see what was really going on and there was a 300-500m diameter yellow light exactly over Combu island", stated the military, referring to an island located at the mouth of Guama River, right in front of the university, a touristic spot in Belem.  According to Gabriel Brasil, the light observed was very intense and hovered in the air for several seconds.  "Suddenly, that thing disappeared as if it were teletransported for another place.  It simply disappeared in front of us".  After Hollanda, he is the military that most contributed for the disclosure of information regarding Operation Saucer.  See below an exclusive interview to us given by Gabriel Brasil.

Brazilian UFO Magazine - In your personal files you have some pictures showing UFOs observed during Operation Saucer and you say you've seen many other materials including movies shot by the military in Colares.  What is exactly contained in all this material?

Gabriel Brasil - The pictures were extracted from the movies made by the Air Force military during that mission in the jungle.  One of those movies show an 80cm UFO probe which was pictured and filmed at night beside a coconut tree by Colonel Hollanda's team.  That probe was the same one seen in Colares paralyzing victims to retrieve materials [Editor's input: Human blood and organic samples, and minerals from the environment], according to information provided by the team in the field.  Besides, I saw a movie from my colleagues in which an aircraft is seen approaching.  It had descended and launched a ladder for their crew to leave the object.  But when they realized the presence of Hollanda's team, they went back to the ship and left, leaving an intense flashlight that offered a good opportunity for much photographic materials.  The images also show how such aircraft worked, apparently operating by means of light variation [Editor's input: A thesis advocated by some military that worked in Operation Saucer].  But no one knows what was inside them to provide this evaluation.

Brazilian UFO Magazine - Some pictures of Operation Saucer leaked.  Unfortunately, however, the movies have never left the barracks.  After seeing them, what could you tell about them? What did they show?

Gabriel Brasil - What I can tell about the military operation carried out in Colares is that the works mainly resulted in four movies of 10-minute duration each.  At that time, I Regional Air Command was headed by Brigadier Joao Camarao Telles Ribeiro, who gathered selected representatives from civil society and local authorities to show the obtained material.  The meeting was also observed by military from the General Command of Air Technology, from Sao Jose dos Campos, State of Sao Paulo.  I believe that NASA representatives were also present.  The movies were exhibited during the meeting, but nothing was said about them after that occasion.  I've always had a strong friendship relation with late Colonel Uyrange Hollanda, especially because of UFO-related affairs, since we both had great interest in the subject.  He informed me that the movies obtained by his team were sent to Brasilia, where I believe they are until now [Editor's input: Sources tell that they would be kept at the Brazilian Command for Air Defense (Comdabra), in the Brazilian capital].  In those movies, it was possible to see UFOs flying over the area, landing, taking off, and even diving into waters without reducing speed.  The movies also presented small aircraft entering bigger ones.  They also showed the operations of probes which collected materials.

Brazilian UFO Magazine - Where did these pictures and movies ended up?

Gabriel Brasil - Thanks to the friendship I had with Hollanda, many copies of those pictures ended up in my hands, which I keep until today.  He also showed two images obtained in the municipality of Tome-Asu, deep within the State of Para.  One of them shows an aircraft landing in a certain area, which was very clear due to the soil marks left by the object's landing gear.  I've also seen another picture in which it is possible to realize the collection of materials from the soil from a certain altitude.  Nowadays I don't know where these two images ended up [Editor's input: At the conclusion of Operation Saucer, Hollanda delivered all pictures and movies to I Comar head-office not keeping anything to himself].

Brazilian UFO Magazine - During the period in which Operation Saucer was carried out, in 1977, Brazil was under a military dictatorship.  Some theories say that US military were present in Colares having influenced Brazilians to collect all materials produced during the operation and send it to Brasilia.  What do you know about that?

Gabriel Brasil - This is completely unknown to me.  At the time, I worked directly with Brigadier Camarao and I would surely have known anything in that sense.  The truth is that he received an order from Brasilia to carry out investigations on suck-suck and a working group that spent several months in Colares was formed.  This was called Operation Saucer.  Much material was collected by the military who also had sightings.  But everything was presented to the society and only the movies were sent to Brasilia.  After this I've never heard of them anymore.  It is possible that they still exist, but who knows where they are...

Brazilian UFO Magazine - The Amazon region is home to many UFO sightings and even contacts with extraterrestrials beings.  Would you be able to tell the sites where these really happened?

Gabriel Brasil - Besides Colares, another region in which the phenomenon was - and still is - common is located from the delta of the Amazonas River to the border of the Para and Maranhao states.  Another site where many sightings occurred is the region next to Tapajos River, where the phenomenon is so constant that became popular among river communities and part of their daily lives.

Brazilian UFO Magazine - Besides following the developments of Operation Saucer and seeing its results in pictures and movies, you have also had personal experiences with UFO sightings.  How did these occur?

Gabriel Brasil - Yes, I had one sighting during the 50s when I was a student at the Air Force School, in Campo dos Afonsos, Governador Island [Editor's input: Military area which comprehends the Afonsos Air Base, Rio de Janeiro].  It was 2:00 am and I was working at the airfield in the base, when I saw a light vertically descending at an incredibly high speed.  It was yellowish like a sodium light bulb.  When it approached the ground, it changed direction by 90 degrees while apparently keeping the same speed when it then turned green.  That was absolutely incredible to me, since among all laws we know, from Newton to Quantic Mechanics, those movements were impossible.  Anybody changing directions undergo the effects of mass and speed, which, in turn, would cause its self-destruction.  But that object I saw did not suffer any force of gravity or change of direction.  This was one of my sightings.

Brazilian UFO Magazine - Did you have any other? Could you tell us?

Gabriel Brasil - The other one happened in the 70s, when I was still teaching the theory of ionospheric propagation at the Federal University of Para (UFPA), at night.  At the time, civil servants went on a strike, which also reached the university's employees.  One night, I was teaching when lights went off.  I thought that was something caused by employee's representatives in order to prevent us from working.  Then I left the classroom with some students in order to see what was happening.  Some students from other classrooms did the same, which resulted in a gathering at the campus yard.  Then, exactly over Combu Island, which is right in front of UFPA, there was a very intense yellow light with 300m to 500m in diameter.  That light stayed still there for several seconds, before suddenly disappearing as if it were teletransported to some other place.  That thing simply disappeared in front of us.  Besides this case, I had another sighting in the 70s, over Embratel facilities, in the city of Belem.  It was around 11:00 pm when a very intense white light appeared at a medium altitude to cross the sky at an incredible speed.  As a pilot used to aircraft speed limits, I found that very strange, because at the time - and until today - there were no aircraft capable of flying at that speed to cross the horizon so quickly.  I estimate that light to be between six and 10 thousand km per hour.  I tried to take a picture, but it was technically impossible.

Translation by Brazilian UFO Magazine volunteer Eduardo Rado.

The photo of Liutenant-Colonel Gabriel Brasil and two of the photos he presented to Brazilian UFO Magazine are here:

www.ufo.com.br/public/Brasil




Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:27:02 -0300 From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO

To: (with permission)
Subject: 'Operation Saucer' The Real Evidence

In a recent message posted here it was said that "little concrete evidence is known about the Operation Saucer".  Nothing could be more far away from the truth.

For those who don't know, Operation Saucer was the biggest military operation conducted in Brazil to _officially_ and _secretly_ investigate UFOs.  Probably the biggest in the world as well.  It started in September 1977 by direct order from the command of the First Regional Aerial Command (COMAR) of the Brazilian Air Force in Belém, Para state, in the Amazon.

The main reason to initiate Operation Saucer were the several tragic attacks on people from mysterious balls of light and other objects, first at night - in 1974, 1975 and late 1976 - that soon started to happen almost all day long, especially early and mid-1977.  Operation Saucer was prematurely ended in December 1977 for the reasons that we now know and is described below.

According to the best source we once had available, the commander of the Operation, Colonel Uyrange Hollanda, who gave a detailed and in-depth _exclusive_ interview to the Brazilian UFO Magazine, to me and to my co-editor Marco Antonio Petit, the objectives of the Operation Saucer were:

1) To collect as many witness reports as possible about the lights and objects being seen and that performed the strange attacks.

2) To register the lights and objects in the jungle (called suck-suck) with the highest photo and film technology available.

3) To engage, if possible, in a co-ordinated attempt to contact the "intelligences behind the phenomena".

On the contrary of what the post suggests, yes, there is an _enormous_ amount of information about Operation Saucer already available, and lot of _very_ concrete_ evidence of it and its amazing results.  As for the objectives mentioned above, it is also widely known that they were fully accomplished:

1) Over 2,000 witness reports were collected by the 30+ military that took part in Operation Saucer, and before and after that.  It is estimated that at least 400 people were attacked by the balls of light, of which 3 died - and maybe a 4th - were recorded.  Brazilian UFO Magazine has dozens of those reports and conducted personal interview, on-site, with witnesses, military, pilots and the doctor who treated the patients.

2) It is estimated that over 500+ B&W pictures of lights and objects in the jungle were taken, along with several rolls of film in super 8 and super 16mm.  It is estimated that at least 16 hours have been recorded.  Brazilian UFO Magazine has also dozens of such pictures and has extensively published them in several editions.  Although the films are not available, they have been watched by several people in Brazil and we have their personal accounts of what they saw.  Pilot Gerson Maciel the Britto, for instance, described having watched a film shown to him by the military, in the 80s, where there was a huge mother-ship with small objects over the Amazon River.

3) The third objective, according to Hollanda, it was also fully accomplished when, by mid-December 1977, he and a few of his men were in a small boat in the river close to Colares Island and they all saw a 300+ feet long cylinder-like object that almost landed on the other side of the river, in a standing position.  From its upper part, a door was open and a humanoid-like creature in a uniform floated from it to the river level and stood just a few feet from the military, and kept staring at them.

That was a genuine close encounter with an alien entity, performed by a military team from the Brazilian Air Force, _officially_! It was part of Hollanda's _official_ orders to attempt such contact.

Through the helmet glass Hollanda and his men could see the alien's eyes.  No sound was ever emitted by any of the involved, nor by the creature.  It stood there for a few minutes and went back to the ship, that took off.

As part of his duties, when Hollanda reported that he had a direct contact with the "intelligences behind the phenomena", his superiors at the First Regional Aerial Command (COMAR) of the Brazilian Air Force in Belem, ordered him to immediately shut down Operation Saucer.  So he did.  He was also ordered to give to his superiors every piece of material, report, photo, film, etc., obtained during the Operation, which he did.

So, it is believed that the Operation was shut-down because the military feared loosing control of the situation, if the direct contacts continued.  This has also been reported to the Brazilian UFO Magazine by a number of people who were directly and indirectly connected to the Operation.

Throughout the years, with hard work, we have managed to get a large number of pages and many pictures produced by the military's Operation Saucer.  There is in no way "little concrete evidence known about Operation Saucer", but rather very _solid_ material that confirms what has been published before and shown in programs such as Linha Direta and Brazil's Roswell (the correct name). I took part along with Marco Petit in both productions, and I served as a consultant for them.  What they show is accurate.

I give you this:

Here you can find 400+ pages of official documents related to UFOs in Brazil, most of them secret pieces:

www.ufo.com.br/public/documents/

Here you can find some 200+ pages of official documents produced by Operation Saucer, all of them secret pieces:

www.ufo.com.br/public/documentos/Relatorios_da_Operacao_Prato_01/
www.ufo.com.br/public/documentos/Relatorios_da_Operacao_Prato_02/


Here you can find about a dozen photos obtained officialy by the Operation Saucer and a few reporters at same time:

www.ufo.com.br/public/documentos/Fotos_da_Operacao_Prato/

Here you can find some pictures I took of Colonel Uyrange Hollanda (died October 02, 1997, just a few weeks after he gave us the interview):

www.ufo.com.br/public/documentos/Fotos_de_Hollanda/

Here you can find Hollanda's exclusive drawings of UFOs and ETs given to the Brazilian UFO Magazine:

www.ufo.com.br/public/documentos/Desenhos_de_Hollanda/

Pay extra careful attention at this one:

Operaco Prato 10.jpg ---> Shows the alien seen by Hollanda in mid-December 1977 and the "gun" he was using.

Operaco Prato 06.jpg ---> Shows the close encounter with the cylindrical object (although it says "Nov 77", it was then corrected as "Dec 77")

Attention: All this material is copyrighted and was obtained by Brazilian UFO Magazine.  We have always provided authorization to copy and publish everywhere, provided we are asked before such copying and publication.

As for the declarations made by Sergeant Flavio Costa's son, I will comment after I meet the man in person, to get a clearer picture of what he now claims.

In the next weeks I will post here an English transcription of a recent interview with another military service person that decided to speak about Operation Saucer, Lieutenant-Colonel Gabriel Brasil, who I discovered on a recent visit to Belem, during one of my _many_ trips to that area to investigate all the situations involved in the military mission in the 70s.  He has contributed a lot with new info.

A. J. Gevaerd,
Editor Brazilian UFO Magazine
Editor, UFO Global Magazine
www.ufo.com.br

Thanks for permission to use that - and reader might want to see earlier report by Dr. Olavo T. Fontes




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Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:36:13 +0300 From: Dimitris Hatzopoulos

I was intrigued by the possible parallels between the "alien" beings described in the Caponi Italy 1993 / Varginha Brazil 1996 cases and the *amphibian *beings described in various mythologies, e.g.

1/ the "Nommos" of African tribe Dogon in Mali.  The word Nommos is derived from a Dogon word meaning, "to make one drink," The Nommos are usually described as amphibious, hermaphroditic, fish-like creatures.  Folk art depictions of the Nommos show creatures with humanoid upper torsos, legs/feet, and a fish-like lower torso and tail.

2/ the pre-Sharun cultures of modern day Iraq contacts with amphibious being known as Oannes (ref: works of Berossus, a priest who was the first person known to have collected those fertile crescent encounter stories in his Babyloniaka, a history of Babylon).

A few days ago, I stumbled upon Youtube's clip of a (spanish production?) documentary on greek TV about the Dogons, which unfortunately was broadcast translated, rather than subtitled (which tends to cause further distortion).  In that documentary, there is info about the Nommos, which e.g. describe the Nommos having red eyes, three fingers and breathe through a place in (our) stomach area. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nElS5k9hP0

Look at the Caponi story & pictures at www.ufologie.net/htm/caponi.htm www.ufologie.net/htm/caponipics.htm

Notice the place the "tubes" go in is in the stomach area.

Notice things which suggest the Caponi-being desires water, as Caponi's testimony suggests:

"The being had always appeared with gauze around the legs, and something similar to leather on its back, but this time it did not wear its covering anymore, but appeared with two tubes on the thorax that seemed to slightly move under its skin, like from air or liquid pressure, or some fluid, I don't know, maybe for its respiration.  The small tubes both moved rhythmically.

And an other important thing: *I was convinced that the _body was wet, it drained water, it dripped_*.  But not much.  From its head, water passed beside the eyes like some sweat.

I want to emphasize that that evening my sister had also heard the noises, on the small terrace of our house, where my father had *two drums in which he put water for watering the flowers.  We have thought that perhaps it had gone to bathe itself.  The drums were supposed to be full, but instead one was half empty.  Maybe during the night, it had "undressed", dipped in a drum*, washed, and jumped from the terrace, producing the noise of a jump in water that my sister heard."


Also, apparently the Caponi being is wearing a jumpsuit and "helmet" in all but the last photo.  The only time when it's seen without its "coveralls/jumpsuit" was on 20-Sep-1993 which was a _*rainy*_ night.

The Varginha case witnesses talk about "oily (wet/glistering?) brown skin", "very small hands with three fingers", "huge veins running down its neck" (perhaps the tubes seen in Caponi's photos?).  There is a different in the description of length of arms and legs, but the being seen by the 3 girls at Varginha was seen in "kneeling" position (which incidentally is also how Caponi's sketch depicts it).

American medical doctor Dr. Roger Leir traveled to Brazil in 2003 and interviewed a Varginha doctor who said he examined one of the aliens.  The physician observed "reticulated skin," which though smooth, showed the outlines of scales, as well as a "claw-like appendage," Leir recounted (src: C2C interviews on 29-Aug-2004 and 22-May-2005).

My *Question: would this "claw-like appendage" be at the lower limb / "thigh" area?* (see pic)

There are many Web pages on the Caponi and Varginha cases, I list several sources in my UFO-occupants page at www.hyper.net/ufo/occupants.html

Please feel free to forward/share/re-mix this to anyone.

Regards from Greece,
Dimitris Hatzopoulos

Hello Dimitris,   I must confess that although I'd read of both cases separately I hadn't made the connection quite as readily as you have.

Your notes on the Mesopotamian legend and those of the Dogon were most insightful and I think will be interesting in the future of these investigations.

(Have a cultural / historical reference to Oannes at magic4.html#teach but didn't make the links as yet - thanks again.)
...
[BTW - after reading the Caponi article for the umpteenth time I think it's time to identify the criminal actions committed by local magistrates and local Caribiniere - hope it will not damage Filiberto]

Best regards
[R.D]




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