UFO UpDates contributions

Fri, 27 Feb, Senr. Thiago Luiz Ticchetti, vice-presidente EBE-ET/Brasilia/DF, International Coordinator UFO Magazine Brazil, posed question re:
"correlation between UFOs and fairies, mythology, legends, folklore and so on"
- on UFO Updates List.

Which fairly quickly became a discussion re: `little green men' which, as per David Rudiak's post, was a mid 1900's media put-down of ET & UFO investigation.

Although, as Chris Aubeck and Greg Boone respectively noted -
a) world-wide check of folk-tales needed,
b) some tales like abductions and "changelings" seem international and timeless.

Thu, 11 Mar Trevor Seguin said `Green Man' embedded in Celtic legend and also steered to `green children'.

Follow-up found:- `The Green Children of Woolpit, Suffolk, England' (c. 1200 ?)
anomalyinfo.com/articles/sa00022.shtml
- "no-one knows whether or not the Green Girl ever had children".

Other `greenchildren' plus older persistent stories of child-abductions, substitutions and `changeling' children - often with `wizened, green faces' are found in Ireland, Scotland, Wales & England legends.

Plus, from Dr Brewer's `Dictionary of Phrase & Fable' (twelfth edition) p. 365, gave some post medieval `Green Man' roles:-
a) animal - Head huntsman / gamekeeper (on estates);
b) plants - Herbalist and distiller;
c) chemistry - Maker & igniter of "squibs and fireworks".

All hinting at relic (or relict) respect for `nature lore' of pre-medieval "Green Man" legend.

Sun, 14 Mar put the "green gods / green children" question to forteans.

Forteana Group contributions

Mon, 15 Mar Rachel Carthy posted news of `al-Khidr, the Green Man of the Sufi' - "He is the mysterious guide ..." at http://khidr.org/khidr.htm.

That webpage gave - "historically speaking, Islam inherited the tradition of Khidr from earlier myths and faiths".

Again, an `immortal' guide from pre-history.

Already we'd got an ancient nature god of pre-Celtic Britain, a setting of which at least one scholar (Prof J Morris Jones c 1900) said - `the pre-Aryan (ie. pre-Celtic) idioms which still live in Welsh and Irish were derived from a language allied to the Egyptians'.

And, checking in Egypt, there was another `mystery god' - Bes, who was originally pre-pantheonic, becoming `benevolent god of birth & guardianship'.

www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/bes.htm said "he is never shown in profile, but always full-face, almost unique in Egyptian art .. Bes is a very unusual god. He does not appear to be Egyptian at all".

No temples to Bes, but, just like the Green Man, household images and amulets.
Those checked seem to be of jasper or faience (both greenish).

Bes image here

Followed same day by Timothy Hodkinson's urging to check claimed Celt - Egyptian links.

So, re-read source to clarify (and got a fortean correlation from `Perceptions' own memory):-

Whole thing is on p. 78 of `Myths and Legends of the Celtic Race' by TW Rolleston, last edition 1919 Harrap - London

Quote -
"Rhys and Brynmor Jones find that the African origin - at least proximately - of the primitive population of Great Britain and Ireland is strongly suggested. It is here shown that the Celtic languages preserve in their syntax the Hamitic, and especially the Egyptian type"

(footnote) `The Welsh People' pp. 616-664 where the subject is fully discussed in an appendix by Prof. J Morris Jones:- "The pre-Aryan idioms which still live in Welsh and Irish were derived from a language allied to Egyptian and the Berber tongues"
Unquote
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But here's something TW Rolleston et al would not have known:
a fairly recent comparison of world blood-groupings (by a UK uni?) made the news a few years ago when it matched a (native) North Welsh population group to the blue-eyed Beduin. (Berbers / Tuaregs) ^{* later-note}

Timothy also reminded us - "AFAIK green is regarded as being associated with the Fairies, who you should never talk about"

We note that similar block or geas, due to religious `ownership' of the color green, also exists in much of the eastern world.
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[BTW, careful attributions, mine in third person, _might_ be sub-conscious try to avoid retribution for breaking the geas.]

End of `Facts'

Pure Speculation

1) D'you feel `aversion' for this discussion?
Why? Is there a block of logical thought on this subject?

2) A (maybe) world-wide story of Green Man associated with birth, (forced?) growth, guardianship, guidance - throughout the ages.
Maybe world-wide fear of abductions (mostly of babies) and of `changelings' / substitutions.
Does this suggest primeval breeding / construction program for human race"?

3) `Green Men' are (indirectly) mocked / denigrated in mid 1900's media - around the start of _heavy_ exploitation / destruction / desecration of nature world-wide.

4) Are we led to Alfred Russel Wallace's thoughts?

And then to Anthony Roberts and Geoff Gilbertson's `Dark Gods' analysis?

I.e. - was Charles Fort right when he said "I think we're property ... That once upon a time this Earth was No-Mans Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought amongst themselves for possession, but now it's owned by something, all others warned off"?

D'you think `change of ownership' happened when Earth exhibited atomic / nuclear weapons use?

Check psyche storms

cheers
Ray D

Possibly Linked

Great Cycle?

Mythos

Precess

Sphinx

Westward

We'll try to trace events, more ancient than blinkered experts admit to, which may still be influencing human civilizations.

We may have to look back 13,000 years - or more than 26,000 years.

Why?

check

"Dualism or Dichotomy"

"Sphinx"

"Westward Ho!"

"Great Cycle?"

and maybe even

"Psyche Storms"

and its evidence file

"Friend-Foe?"