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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 22:17:46 +0100
Subject: Re: USURY FWD - "Ancient Killer of Ancient Kings

Right Choong. But, as that's not visible at close range (i.e. within a human lifetime), it's deeply anti-intuitive.

That means many generations of record-keeping was necessary to establish the facts PLUS a worldwide communication network was needed for it to be known in all human groups.

And that means a much earlier and long-lasting high civilization - which is unknown to our historians.

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 00:37:26 +0800
Subject: Re: USURY FWD - "Ancient Killer of Ancient Kings

Well Ray, this might be true as usury produces wealth produces decadence and of course producing the foremost flaws of the "Original Sin" by industrial scale of these people up there., what whacked around comes around in their later generations maybe., after all experience produce sensations which then shape the mind., body and spirit and there goes ugly inheritance down the line as genomes and DNA is concerned for they are adapting accordingly., "Inheritance" in real sense !


On 12-Jul-13 8:37 PM, Ray D wrote:
We've most of us seen the evidence of several ancient civilizations which seemed to appear `fully-fledged' in writing or script or mathematics or architecture (it's been noticed that Sumer (and Egypt) had advanced (but different) use of binary systems in their math), and even the British Museum has remarked on this re Egyptian hieroglyphs.

And a bit of research will show that, amazingly, there is an identical legend existing world-wide but which dates from a pre-historic time when the different continents and their resident "primitive" ethnic groups were supposedly isolated from each other by `impassable' geographical obstacles of oceans, mountains or deserts.  I.e - the `legend' of Four Great Ages of earlier humans - which is found on every continent, even among peoples with no written history.

Had idly thought about these mysteries without reaching a firm conclusion, but while listening to the 6:00 am news today (stories of corruption charges in China and evil bankers elsewhere), I suddenly realized there was an even more compelling world-wide linkage which is totally unexplainable - unless there have been much earlier and much longer periods of human civilization complete with writings and histories but which have been completely lost and forgotten.

That mysterious linkage is the early world-wide `ban' on usury of any kind.  The reason given by our history books is a purely superstitious one - that it was a `sin'.  But how can that be?  We can see easily enough that other `sins' (theft, murder, incest, etc) would be recognizable by their almost immediate effects on the gene-pool - which is why they are all criminal offences today.  But modern science doesn't say anything about the effects of living off interest (i.e. usury), and it is common in the West (although Islam still formally forbids it).

However, had already studied many dynastic kingdoms and empires, finding that the privilege of subsequent generations (not the fighting or working for conquest of the originators) has a fatal effect - increasing mental incompetence, physical degeneration by congenital diseases (some of the brain) and a general tendency to `ugliness' - both physiological and in temperament.

That, plus elite education methods, is due to and further results in the rulers choosing mates only from `royal' or `aristocratic' families (or their own siblings in the case of the later dynastic Egyptians).  That inbreeding is eventually lethal.

Which is why, of all the thousands of Emperors or Kings of written history, none but the most recent survive - and they're not kindly folk, or very pretty.

It's fairly clear (to me) that usury has exactly the same effects as `rulers privilege' - only maybe taking a longer period.  Which is why, for usury to be recognized as genetically harmful and for it to be banned [world-wide], there must have been many thousands of years of accumulated record-keeping and genealogical research beforehand, which hasn't yet been duplicated by modern science even today.


Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:51:00 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Law enforcement's domestic abuse problem

Surprised?  About ten years ago I made a somewhat startling statement (only startling to the average uninformed citizen) that there are more thugs, rapists and murderers in the (UK) police (per capita) than in the general population.

That was based on the simple statistical fact that police are mainly male and with a (voluntary) propensity for violence.

However subsequent findings have strengthened and amplified that view, mainly because it is now clear that (UK) police recruiting has increasingly targeted more violence-loving males, and especially more low-education males (several judicial figures have stated that many (most?) of today's police-men are now "sub-literate" and unfit to write or present evidence).
PS - don't jump to a wrong conclusion; I have friends / acquaintances in the UK (& USA) police - although mostly blokes I knew before they joined the force, and women who are serving officers.
19 September 2014 Last updated at 20:44
Law enforcement's domestic abuse problem

The National Center for Women and Policing cites two studies that found that "at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10% of families in the general population".

Friedersdorf asks:
"If there's any job that domestic abuse should disqualify a person from holding, isn't it the one job that gives you a lethal weapon, trains you to stalk people without their noticing, and relies on your judgment and discretion to protect the abused against domestic abusers?"

Friedersdorf goes on to recount a number of domestic violence incidents in recent years across the US involving police officers, such as murder-suicides in Colorado, Washington state, Texas , Indiana, Nevada and Utah.

He also points to a 2013 New York Times article that found many domestic violence incidents involving police are handled "informally", allowing the assailants to continue to work without official sanction.

"The law enforcement community hasn't seen fit to track these cases consistently or rigorously," he writes.

Based on reported stories and the incidents that do lead to criminal prosecution, however, he says the evidence of a nationwide problem is "overwhelming".

"The situation is significantly bigger than what the NFL faces, orders of magnitude more damaging to society and yet far less known to the public, which hasn't demanded changes," he concludes.

A few weeks ago Echo Chambers observed that law enforcement also doesn't seem all that interested in keeping records about how often citizens are killed in police shootings.

Out of the public's sight, out of the public's mind.

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 22:41:06 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Internet Trolls really are just terrible human beings.

Ha!  Interesting but not new - and not complete either.  The full data on `trolls' includes several papers published in last decade or so which point to this further conclusion: that `trolls' are
- more authoritarian: ie. inclined to control-freakery;
- more conformist (and less intelligent);
- more fearful: ie. inclined to paranoia;
- more likely to miss, & then deny, anomalous events perceived by others.
[ for research details check here ]
Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists
A new study shows that internet trolls really are just terrible human beings.
Published on September 18, 2014 by Jennifer Golbeck, Ph.D.

In this month's issue of Personality and Individual Differences, a study was published that confirms what we all suspected: internet trolls are horrible people. Let's start by getting our definitions straight. An internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.

What kind of person would do this?

Canadian researchers decided to find out. They conducted two internet studies with over 1,200 people. They gave personality tests to each subject along with a survey about their internet commenting behavior. They were looking for evidence that linked trolling with the Dark Tetrad of personality: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and sadistic personality.

They found that Dark Tetrad scores were highest among people who said trolling was their favorite internet activity. To get an idea of how much more prevalent these traits were among internet trolls, check out this figure from the paper:

Look at how low the scores are for everyone except the internet trolls! Their scores for all four terrible personality traits soar on the chart. The relationship between this Dark Tetrad and trolling is so significant, that the authors write the following in their paper:

"... the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists." [emphasis added]

Trolls truly enjoy making you feel bad. To quote the authors once more (because this is a truly quotable article):

"Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground!"

So next time you encounter a troll online, remember a few things. (1) These trolls are some truly messed up people and (2) it is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them.

Buckels, Erin E., Paul D. Trapnell, and Delroy L. Paulhus. "Trolls just want to have fun." Personality and Individual Differences67 (2014): 97-102.

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:49:33 +0100
Subject: "Anxiety-drugs / Sleep-drugs linked to Alzheimer'

Heck - what a surprise: brain-altering drugs actually alter (and damage) the brain!

Forgive me for saying so but only a credulous idiot would've believed greedy doctors (and Big-Pharma) when they told you the opposite.

We're only now getting the proof that almost all we've been told (and sold) by `experts' for the last generation or three was LIES!
BTW we had some posts on this earlier - and glad to say most posters agreed: "Stay clear of pain-killers, anxiety / sleep drugs if you want to stay healthy".
Anxiety Drugs Linked With Alzheimer's
Do sleeping pills give you Alzheimer's? As a major new study suggests a link, we examine the worrying evidence

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 06:59:31 +0100
Subject: Re: 'Why aren't there smells in dreams?'

You've got a good point there Choong.  And Buddhism seems to tally with modern quantum discoveries:  that `reality' isn't what we perceive with the crude senses.
PS - although Leibniz seemed to get close, with this:
"Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another"

-----Original Message-----
From: Choong K**** ****
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:43 PM

Well Ray, I think this supplement the notion of the real Matrix that reality is based on photonic's reality rather than any other chemical auxiliaries that came along so much so that in teachings like Buddhism the five senses is the first to go if one want to reach Enlightenment.

On 14-Sep-14 2:12 AM, Ray Dickenson wrote:
> I think that evolution got rid of smells in dreams - it's just too dangerous.  Like the article says the sense of smell is the most `primitive' in that it's directly wired into the old brain; in charge of primal reactions: fear / affection and flight / fight responses.
> That's why supermarkets (and car salesrooms?) are _very_ careful about their aromas.
> Ray

>> Let me ask you this: 'Why aren't there smells in dreams?'
> A research study published in 1896 looked at the prevalence of different sensory experiences in dreams. It found the following occurrence frequency (percent of dreams featuring each sense):
>> Visual - 85%
>> Auditory - 69%
>> Touch - 11%
>> Smell - 7%
>> Taste - 6%
>> So visual experience dominates dreaming, while touch, smell, and taste are quite low. But why?

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 13:15:00 +0100
Subject: Input re: `Right to be forgotten' - EU's "right to censor"

(Answer to Google's question: "How should one person's right to be forgotten be balanced with the public's right to information?")

Western justice systems (and electoral systems) are based on a medieval pattern: where everyone is known to the population (who comprise both jurors and electors).

Any censoring or "editing" of factual information - i.e. education, career or criminal records plus expressed opinions on any subjects - immediately corrupts western democracy and justice.

Ray Dickenson

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:37:09 +0100
Subject: "Britain facing literacy crisis

The comments of readers (below the main article) are interesting, illustrating the ignorance and polarization about education - which in England tends to be authoritarian (and therefore boring), prescriptive (and therefore elitist).  My past concerns, and their causes are here:
teachtest.html - ed4.html - smolin-physics.html#bees-qm

"It is in fact nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry; for what this delicate little plant needs more than anything, besides stimulation, is freedom. It is a very grave mistake to think that the enjoyment of seeing and searching can be promoted by means of coercion and a sense of duty." - Albert Einstein
If any subject is dull/boring - then the curriculum is stupid or the teacher/school is incompetent. For all of Life - and the Universe - is Interesting! - [Me]

Ray | CAHAL MILMO, SARAH CASSIDY, JONATHAN OWEN - Monday 08 September 2014
Britain facing literacy crisis which will leave nearly 1.5 million 11-year-olds unable to read properly by 2025

Britain is facing a literacy crisis which will leave nearly 1.5 million 11-year-olds unable to read properly by 2025, unless action is taken, and is depriving adults with limited reading skills of appropriate help.

A coalition of charities, teachers and publishers will today launch a campaign to reverse an educational failure which means that thousands of children, many of them poor, are leaving primary school each year unable to read well and likely to struggle for the rest of their lives.

A report by "Read on. Get on." said England is now one of the developed world's most unequal countries in reading with the gap between the strongest and weakest equivalent to seven years of schooling. Only Romania has a worse record among EU members.

The problem is acute in low-income groups, in particular white British boys, where 45 per cent reach 11 unable to read well. A total of 40 per cent of poorer children are not proficient readers - almost double the rate of their better-off peers. The proportion of children reading well by 11 has dropped by 1 per cent in five years since 2008. Even with an average annual improvement rate of 0.5 per cent, an estimated 120,000 pupils a year will fail to reach a proficient level of literacy - a total of 1,440,000 children between 2013 and 2025.

Through measures such as supporting parents to read with young children for 10 minutes a day and seeking volunteers to help disadvantaged children, the body aims to have all children reading well by 2025. It said its goal was to ensure that all 11-year-olds can read, understand and discuss stories such as Harry Potter.

Research by Newcastle University for the report found the emergence of a "book gap" in Britain, with almost a quarter of 11-year-olds having fewer than 10 books in their home. By contrast, if all children were reading well by that age, GDP in 2025 would be £32bn higher, according to the study.

Dame Julia Cleverdon, chairwoman of the campaign group, whose members include Save the Children and publisher HarperCollins, said: "It is tragic and unfair that children from the poorest families and the most deprived communities are least likely to read well at the age of 11 in the UK, one of the wealthiest countries in the world. This vital long-term campaign aims to make a life-changing difference for children in poverty and society."

In a separate study published today, MPs condemned the Government as "short sighted" for cutting the budget for adult literacy and numeracy training and said should it should reverse it decision to remove £2.5m of funding from a scheme by the trade union movement's education arm.

The Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS) Select Committee said levels of adult literacy and numeracy in England were "alarmingly low" and the Government was missing an opportunity to raise economic productivity.

The committee said there was a particular problem with the least literate and numerate adults being able to get help and support because they did not know it was available. Advertising of free adult literacy courses ended in 2010.

Adrian Bailey, chairman of the committee, said: "A national campaign will get the message out to those who are most in need of support."

The Government defended its record, saying the gap had narrowed. Backing the campaign, the Education Secretary, Nicky Morgan, said: "We know there is more to do, which is why our new curriculum has a greater focus on reading."

CASE STUDY: the volunteer dad

Damien, 39, from Sheffield, and his wife, Nicola, have six children, ranging in age from 18 months to 15 years. Damien volunteers with Families and Schools Together (Fast), an early-intervention programme that brings parents, children, teachers and the wider community together to make sure the children get the support they need to do their best at school.

You've got to instil a joy of reading at a young age. Every night, I call the children together for reading time. I'll read to them while they have their milk.

I never did much with my mum and dad; I was basically just left to my own devices to do what I wanted. I taught myself things because I had to, so I'm trying to pass on as much as I can to my own children.

I took on the role of a Parenting Partners facilitator in the Fast programme at my children's school. I undertook two days of training and then ran a hub supporting other parents and children through the programme.

With Fast, the parent spends 15 minutes with just one child every week. My son Lucas is five. We did notice a change in him - he became more forward and he's got more confidence than before.


Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:51:01 +0100
Subject: Re: FWD - BBC wants to "LOOK AFTER YOU"

Hi J****,
Yes it seems many medical types are not content with just doing their jobs - mending bones, doing surgery etc. - but want to experiment on us with `magic bullet' drugs, regardless of the likely potential harm.

BTW - from reading another recent item, it seems that many, maybe most so-called `scientists' are also bullying charlatans, uninformed and even willfully ignorant.
"Everything We Know Is Wrong
Most published science papers are untrue, but few ever get tested."

-----Original Message-----
From: J**** L*******
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 10:00 PM

You're absolutely right about the individual making their own choices because I recall the day I went in for a voluntary Hysterectomy. First of all he tried to convince me as to what to keep and what to remove. I told him I wanted everything out. My husband was with me when he said, "Dr. just do what she says." After I woke up the surgeon came in and tried to medicate me. I refused since I felt no pain and right before I was released he told me I HAVE to take some pain pills which I refused. He gave me this look and said, "Well here you go because you may need it later." At that point I just wanted to kill him. I went home and threw out the prescription. I just don't get it...

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: FWD - BBC wants to "LOOK AFTER YOU"

Just now hearing (BBC, Radio 4 about the `dangers' of over-the-counter and on-line purchasing of pain-killers, sedatives opiates etc.  A couple of painful-sounding stories from people who'd gotten hooked on increasingly heavy doses of anything from codeine up.

The BBC agenda and message is to have more and heavier regulation, criminalisation etc. - and, as often these days, I deeply disagree with the BBC.

Not that I'm a "user" - even after fairly intensive medical operations (like my cartilage operation in military hospital), I've offended the staff who come around in the evening with the `drug trolley' by refusing pain-killers.  One Army nursing officer (think he was a Captain) tried to insist that I took something "to get a nights sleep" and I had to tell him to go away - or else.

It may be that I have a high pain threshold (or is it a low one?) and so don't often need pain-killers, or that I have a cheerful disposition and so don't need sedatives / opiates etc..

However I do feel that we should be free to make our own choices in this world - and to face the consequences.
Ray D

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 19:12:38 +0100
Subject: FWD - "The REAL World Map - You are being lied to

Amusing little (3 min) piece, and the funniest thing about it is - it's all true.
The REAL World Map - You are being lied to

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 02:48:29 +0100
Subject: FWD - "End of America A movie you must see to believe

A deep and troubling look at the trends - in USA, UK, Germany, Canada and many other western countries - to stifle dissent, to terrorize innocent civilians, and to abuse all forms of `authority', against all constitutionally guaranteed rights.
End of America A movie you must see to believe

Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:09:45 +0100
Subject: FWD - "New History of Humanity

Interesting - some repetitive stuff in first quarter but still new to me, and it quickens up pretty fast.

Some of the new facts are known but most are fresh to me - although have expressed some logical thoughts pointing to similar conclusions.  Good to see some of them confirmed.

Much of the "too old" discoveries - like `too early pottery' etc - is in China.
New History of Humanity - Astounding Scientific Discoveries
Hour long complete version of "The New History of Humanity " by Deek Jackson

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 05:16:52 +0100
Subject: "London among Europe's least `liveable' cities

So - the rich and their ill-gotten gains are rushing into London, and, London has become a horrble place to live.  Wonder if those two facts could be related?
Social unrest puts London among Europe's least "liveable" cities
20 August 2014 | By Harry Cockburn

London may be top of the tree when it comes to the property market, business and tourism, but the capital is among the "least liveable" cities in Europe, according to new research.

London was actually the third least desirable place to reside, only beaten to the bottom of the European rankings by Athens and Lisbon, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit's annual liveability index.

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 21:52:36 +0100
Subject: FWD - Judge Eva Joly

Just listening to a very brave woman - Eva Joly, the judge who has done more than anyone else (ever?) to track down corrupt politicos and corporates.  So much so that her life has been (and is?) threatened.

She tells of her more recent investigation in Afghanistan: she found that of all the "Foreign Aid" sent there (by bent gov'ts in the West) only about 10% or 15% got through.

So most of our taxes are being wasted by sending aid to these places - only ten or fifteen pennies in the dollar gets through.  She says the same thing is prevalent all over the world - even in the West.
PS - of course our own politicos don't care, most don't pay nett taxes anyway - they're too rich. Eva Joly
Episode 4 of 4
Duration: 28 minutes
First broadcast: Tuesday 19 August 2014
Helena Kennedy talks to the internationally renowned investigative judge Eva Joly who has devoted much of her life to fighting corruption in the upper echelons of French business and political life - relentlessly investigating and prosecuting people whom she believes consider themselves above the law.

The Norwegian-born judge talks about her seven year long investigation into a multi-billion euro fraud involving the state-owned Elf oil company. Thirty people were eventually convicted and senior members of former President Francois Mitterand's government implicated after Eva Joly revealed that company directors had siphoned off billions of francs to pay for bribes and luxurious lifestyles.

She tells Helena Kennedy about how she received death threats and was placed under 24 hour police protection, placing intolerable pressure on her family - eventually resulting in the break-up of her marriage.

The pressures of the investigation only re-enforced her determination to continue with the case, and bring the guilty to justice. She believes the conviction sent out a sign that power and wealth does not bring impunity from the law.

More recently she has switched careers and entered politics, becoming an MEP for the Green Party....but the fight against corruption, not just in France but throughout the world, remains her driving cause. She believes the crimes she has uncovered are merely the tip of an iceberg.

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:47:26 +0100
Subject: "relatively small states are becoming the norm in Europe

Maybe not a bad thing - have already noted that some of these small states have elected to use a flat-tax system (amazingly low - from 10% upwards to 16% or so) which have NO allowances (to enable the rich to avoid tax - as in UK) so raising more effective money for services than Europe's tax-burden of around 50% and UK's average `real' tax rate of about 70% (in largely hidden indirect taxes) paid by the working majority population.
Scotland's independence fever is contagious

"There is no question that in Spain and elsewhere, they are looking very closely at this vote," says Richard Whitman, an expert on European politics at the University of Kent in England. "If, for example, an independent Scotland is allowed entry into the European Union in a fairly uncomplicated manner, then that will create an important precedent for Catalonia."

Catalonia, the semi-autonomous Spanish region whose capital is Barcelona, is likely to push ahead with a Nov. 9 vote to separate from Spain, despite attempts by Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy to block it.

Madrid has already rejected a similar request for an independence referendum by Spain's Basque region. The Basques have lobbied for an independence referendum for more than a decade. Eta, a radical Basque separatist group, has not disarmed after years of hostilities.

"It's an interesting moment for Europe," Whitman says. "Scotland is creating what you might call a 'possibility' for others."

Scotland's and Catalonia's secession movements are not entirely analogous. Catalonia's case for political self-determination rests partly on the idea of cultural and linguistic suppression. Scotland's top complaint is economic and social discrimination by Parliament in London, which is seen as too far away and otherwise engaged to serve Scottish interests.

Albert Royo-Mariné, secretary general of the Public Diplomacy Council of Catalonia, a government-supported group that seeks to raise awareness about Catalonia, says that regardless of its outcome, the Scottish referendum is a "victory for democracy and common sense, and thus, it is a great example to Catalans."

Elsewhere across Europe, there are other fledgling breakaway states.

In Flanders, a Dutch-speaking part of northern Belgium, pro-independence Flemish activists have been agitating, albeit at a relatively subdued level, for more autonomy from Wallonia, the southern French-speaking part.

Online polling in Venice earlier this year found widespread support for Veneto, a northern region of Italy, to ditch Rome and go it alone, although the poll's accuracy has been questioned.

And the world has watched this year as Russian-speaking militants in eastern Ukraine have been fighting for greater autonomy from the central government in Kiev, if not outright independence.

Whitman says relatively small states are becoming the norm in Europe, and big nations, such as Germany and France, the exception. He notes that the three Baltic republics, Luxembourg, Malta, Cyprus and the Czech and Slovak republics are all recent examples of successful new nations that have thrived in spite of their small sizes.

"These places seem to exercise their sovereignty even within a global context," Whitman says, "and that's a powerful message for secession movements looking to emulate their success."

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:40:08 +0100
Subject: Listen to - BBC Nostalgia for the Police

Interesting (if you like well-crafted propaganda disguised as documentary).

Predictably it gives you the `nostalgia' myth - that the police were honest and lovable a generation ago (as the `Dixon of Dock Green' TV series cloyingly repeated back in those days).

Even so there was a nugget of data:-  police numbers were cut (due to lack of money) after the last market crash;  as soon as that took effect - crime also fell!  So maybe it's like when doctors go on strike - deaths (by medical misadventure?) also decrease.

About that nostalgic view - to my knowledge, the last honest chief of Scotland Yard (HQ of the Metropolitan Police: UK's senior police force) was James Munro, who was `resigned' (fired - without pension) in 1890.

His `crime' was attempting to investigate / prosecute a network of elite pedophiles (aristocrats, bishops, MPs etc. - rapists and murderers of little boys).  After Munro's forced departure the investigation was scrapped and the Met has been rotten ever since.
  [That's becoming clear today.]

Most of the facts are in a book called `The Cleveland Street Affair' by Chester, Leitch & Simpson, from Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1977.
Warning: don't read that book if you're a rabid `Royalist'.

Listen now 38 mins | Listen in pop-out player
Duration: 38 minutes
First broadcast: Tuesday 12 August 2014

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:26:30 +0100
Subject: FWD - "How did our legends really begin?

This article claims a new "radical idea":  that most of the world's myths come from a common origin.

Ha!  Anyone who's read Andrew Lang's `Myth, Ritual & Religion' (1887) will recognize it as Lang's main theme, original to him (as far as I know), and, IIRC, the same question was later asked by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend in `Hamlet's Mill' (1969).

[BTW - I might owe some inspiration (to Lang's book) for later ideas of at least one earlier global civilization.]
How did our legends really begin?

"... This, fundamentally, is the radical idea of Peter Witzel, a Harvard University linguist and philologist, who has drawn on the scientific disciplines of molecular genetics, physical anthropology, archaeology, and his own field of linguistics to propose that the world's many mythologies have a common origin - similar to the evolution of related species from a long-extinct common ancestor. Witzel argues in his new book, The Origins of the World's Mythologies (OUP), that the myths and legends of today's world cultures can provide important insights into the earliest myths as they were told by the first anatomically modern humans more than 100,000 years ago, the time of "African Eve", the last common ancestor of all our mitochondrial DNA."
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