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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 13:21:14 -0000
Subject: FWD - "End of anglo-saxon `ascendancy'?

Latest annual comparisons of national education attainments seem to confirm our earlier pessimistic view:  the probable end of an anglo-saxon ascendancy.

Whether it's UK and USA falling behind or the emerging nations climbing at a faster rate, the end result seems to be the same -
BTW - that link seems to show that some Nordic and Latin countries of Europe aren't failing!
UK students stuck in educational doldrums, OECD study finds [UK & USA featured]


Wed, 4 Dec 2013 19:29:32 -0000
Subject: Re: RE: FWD - "End of anglo-saxon `ascendancy'?

You might be right there Mike - I've noticed a change for the worse in UK education over the last few decades.

[[ About ten years ago I had a free PGCE (post graduate certificate of education) 2 years+ course at a local university, because the last few years of military service and later civilian work in Arabia already qualified me as a `lecturer' (or Instructor, as I'd rather be called).

Most of the entrants were keen enough and already had various skills (my course partner was a young woman with great knowledge - she just needed the confidence to face a class, which she got after a bit of literal hand-holding from me (at her insistence I had to stand with her for her first presentation).

Even so the tone of the course was formulaic, boring and politically-correct to the point of being a bit ridiculous at times. So I got the impression that the young ones - who were aiming to become mainstream school or university teachers - were simply learning to go with the politically-correct flow.

Personally became fairly well known for my readiness at impromptu presentations (because the military trains you well for that) - and my occasional use of the `loud-voice' to shock or compel class focus on a point.  That's disapproved-of in modern education but, as you and I know, it works! ]]

I.e - UK education now seems to be often dull routine - ticking-boxes, not-offending anyone and `teaching-for-the-test' - and no-one is much inspired by that sort of stuff.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: FWD - "End of anglo-saxon `ascendancy'?

Ray, I'm going to go out on a limb here and give you a reason for this that is not politically correct, overly sensitive, etc.

The reason for the fall in educational excellence in countries that were founded by Anglo-Saxons is due, factually, to the decrease of students of Anglo-Saxon descent and the increase of non-Anglo peoples from every nook and cranny of the human gene pool and cultural matrix.

This will be perceived as a racist statement, but it is not. Cumulative standardized test scores include those of every student, so when the demographics change, the scores change. This is what is really behind this development.


Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:31:22 -0600
Subject: Re: FWD - "American dialect survey [video and quiz pages]

Yup, heard an example some years ago: someone from a Chesapeake Bay area (which had [early] northern Irish immigrants), pronounced "High Tide" as `Hoy Toyd',  whereas my Carolina girlfriend would've said `Hah Tahd' - in her very relaxed way.
Bert Vaux's dialect survey is endlessly fascinating, prompting thousands of folks to figure out which American dialect they speak. This video mixes audio of people taking the survey with Joshua Katz's heat map visualizations of the dialect data.
There are a bunch of quizzes out there that purport to tell you what American dialect you speak. But now there's one that tells you what city your accent and dialect is from. For some of you, it's an amazing thing that pinpoints your hometown exactly. For others, it'll tell you that, for whatever reason, you don't sound like anyone else around.

The above map (where you learn that the northeast pronounces "centaur" differently from everyone else) is from NC State PhD student Joshua Katz's project "Beyond 'Soda, Pop, or Coke.'" The project is a slick visualization of Bert Vaux's dialect survey, and lets you look at maps of the results of 122 different dialect questions, either as a composite showing the variation across the country or each individual dialect's prevalence across the country. You can also see the exact results of a number of cities.
(more at pages ...)

Mark Mc**** wrote:
> I have the St Louis accent, though it's changed a bit due to living in other areas.  Thanks to NY living my vowels aren't as flat as they used to be, so I'm no longer flying down Highway Farty or Interstate Farty Far.

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:26:14 -0000
Subject: FWD - "Stone-Tipped Spears Were In Use 85,000 Years Before Modern Humans Appeared

Ha! It makes as much sense to say - taking into account those `OOPARTS' and forbidden archeology evidence - that humans have been around much longer than mainstream big-sci thinks - say more than half a million years or maybe much more. - Ray

[Later update - seems this sci-comment _might_ agree]
The Huffington Post | By Dominique Mosbergen - Posted: 11/19/2013 8:09 am EST | Updated: 11/19/2013 9:28 am EST
Stone-Tipped Spears Were In Use 85,000 Years Before Modern Humans Appeared, Scientists Say
Our early ancestors may have been cleverer than we once thought.

An international team of researchers said last week they had found evidence that sophisticated weapons once thought to be unique to early humans were in use tens of thousands of years before Homo sapiens first walked the planet.

In their new paper, published Nov. 13 in PLoS ONE, the researchers explained that after careful analysis of sharpened obsidian fragments discovered at an Ethiopian Stone Age site known as Gademotta, it's been determined that the pieces, believed to be about 280,000 years old, were parts of stone-tipped javelins.

Researchers looked closely at tiny markings and fractures on the artifacts to determine how they were used, and they believe the items to be the oldest stone-tipped projectiles ever found.

The spears are "so ancient that they actually predate the earliest known fossils for our species by 85,000 years," Discovery News reported.

The invention of projectile weapons was long believed to be one of the major markers of complex and advanced behavior that set Homo sapiens apart from earlier hominids. So who exactly was throwing these stone-tipped spears before early humans showed up?
(more ...)

Date:Sat, 23 Nov 2013 23:33:42 -0000
Subject: FWD - Meteors

Is it just my selective news-reading or are there a few more meteors incoming these days?
Ray [photo]
Photographer Scott Rinckenberger wanted to capture a picture of himself and a friend on their last night of camping in the California wilderness. But when Scott set the timer on his camera and scurried back to his camping stool he had no idea that a meteor would explode at exactly the right time and in the correct place in his picture.
Picture: Scott Rinckenberger/REX

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:47:16 -0000
Subject: FWD - "Cheats want government jobs, research finds

Think most of us knew this already - Ray
The Telegraph - By Roas Silverman - 6:00AM GMT 19 Nov 2013
Cheats want government jobs, research finds
Researchers suggest that if government jobs are seen as corrupt, those who are honest might not want them

Those who cheat at simple tasks are more likely to want to work in government, research suggests.

Researchers at Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania in the US set small challenges for more than 600 students to see whether they performed honestly in them.

In one, students had to throw a dice unobserved and report what number they rolled. The higher the number, the more they would be paid.

Cheating among the students - who were based in Bangalore, India - seemed to be rampant as an improbably large proportion of them reported rolling high numbers.

The students who appeared to have cheated were 6.3% more likely to say they wanted to work in government, the researchers found.

In another task, students were asked to divide up a sum of rupees between themselves and a charity of their choice.

For each rupee they donated, the sum given to the charity would double.

Those who held on to more of the rupees for themselves were again more likely to want to want to work in government jobs, the study found.

Rema Hanna, an associate professor at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, suggested that if people regarded government jobs as "corrupt", those who are honest "might not want to get into that system."

She and co-author Shing-yi Wang, an assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, wrote: "Overall, we find that dishonest individuals - as measured by the dice task - prefer to enter government service.

"Importantly, we show that cheating on this task is also predictive of fraudulent behaviours by real government officials." ---

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:02:47 -0000
Subject: FWD - Public speaking: a scary `anti-survival' action

Yup - truly terrifying the first time!  Any deniers just haven't thought about it - it's a deeply `anti-survival' action.

Yet, although it might not help `non-speakers' at this moment, public speaking is very like swimming.  That is, once you've taken the plunge; kept your head above water; and best of all, discovered `how to do it well' - then, like diving into a raging torrent or the scary deep sea, each public-speaking duty becomes an enjoyable challenge.

It's only a test-of-skill for those politicos or media-hacks who do it to deceive - to serve the purposes of a campaign or a programme.

Whereas for you and me and worthwhile instructors of any kind - Uni lecturers, mainstream teachers, good media presenters (i.e. many YouTube speakers) it should be an exercise in sincerity, based on sound knowledge of your subject (and self-control - don't wave arms needlessly).

I.e. when your body language and confidence in your logic & knowledge are truly convincing (best displayed by accepting / provoking fast Q&A challenges from your audience) - then your message comes over.

Ray D
Tom Lamont, Observer writer - "I wasn't so surprised, last week, to read the results of a poll revealing that people feared public speaking more than they feared being buried alive.  Sure, I thought.  Because being buried alive at least would be private.  No audience to watch you writhe.

Jerry Seinfeld once defined people like me, neatly, as those who would be "better off in the casket than doing the eulogy" and I was touched that (according to OnePoll's findings) more than half of us feel this way.  Yes, public speaking is "really that scary" if you consider the forced attention of a crowd a punishment and not a prize.
(much more at page ...)

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 02:10:56 -0000"
Subject: [Crossover2012] FWD - Conspirators saying "we should trust them"?
Are conspiracy theories destroying democracy?
By Brian Wheeler - 27 October 2013
Politics reporter, BBC News

Ha!  Here we see a `sacred cow' (the BBC) trying to tell us that suspicions of evil folk in power is `conspiracy theory' and bad for democracy.

Well they would say that, wouldn't they - as the BBC has been a hive of internal conspiracies for decades, [and secretly] knew of many external criminal conspiracies, but, as they had the virtual monopoly of news, kept them out of the public-eye.

Here's a few:
Long-running (loose) medical conspiracy to create millions of female addicts to `happy pills' - for profit;
Longish but fairly recent conspiracy to create alarmist panic about `AGW' ("warming"), which _isn't_ happening the way they claim;
Long-running (loose) conspiracy in Church of England to divert tax-exempt `charity' money to enrich bishops (and arch-bishops?);
Long-running (tight) conspiracy within MI-5/MI-6 and Police to create and conceal pedophile networks & activities;
external site(s) details of suspicious numbers of `suicides' among defense-linked scientists; plus some fairly obvious assassinations in UK (many in BBC), all called suicide or casual murder by corrupt police/coroners;
Two searches reveal surprising number of criminal pedophile [networks?] within UK's political classes and within the BBC (again mostly those involved in politics);

There's many more actual cases, national and international, so you might try a scatter-gun search of the site - below

And of course you'll probably know of many more in your own countries - typically within politics, medicine, policing, churches, military etc. (anywhere people can get power over others);

Maybe end with this quote from journalist and academic John Naughton (
"The reason we have conspiracy theories is that sometimes governments and organisations do conspire"

Ray D

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:03:52 -0000
Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>From: William Treurniet
>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:42:12 -0400
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>>From: Ray Dickenson
>>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:59:05 -0000
>>Subject: "Thought" Definition

>>Hello List,
>>Today was idly listening to 'The Museum of Curiosity' - a somewhat jokey BBC R4 radio program
>>He claimed that when the robot 'body' sends such info to the neuronic 'brain', which then responds by apparently ordering some movement or other reaction by the 'body' - then that fulfils the definition of conscious "thinking", and "reacting" like a human.
>>I'm not so sure.

>Even with the fuzzy definition of consciousness that most people have, I'm pretty sure few would say that a thermostat is conscious.

Hi William, Nicely put.

The simple algorithm enacted by the thermostat  =  temperature falls - switch on / temperature rises - switch off.

The strong AI hypothesis says that merely increasing the complexity of that algorithm to similar to our brain-complexity will bring it [the thermostat] to a point where it _is_ conscious.

That dilemma - whether to define consciousness by `behaviour' (strong AI) or by `essence' (Chinese room) - is almost exactly duplicated in the schism presently tearing apart the fake science called psychiatry.

I.e - a representative of the Division of Clinical Psychology (UK) flatly stated "psychiatric diagnoses are not valid".

An account of the schism, including that quote and more hurtful ones, is outlined in this discussion at HuffPost Science.

Ray D

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:32:35 +0100
anonymous form message

Hello Ray
I'm a long-term reader of your site which I first found through being intrigued about the Jill Dando murder.

Today an old friend told me he was beginning to spiral into a depressive episode.  I sent him a link to your site as I have found it very helpful and uplifting during dark moments.

Your optimism and hope despite having a clear-sighted and unflinching view of what humans can be capable of at their worst is inspirational indeed, and I thought I would take the opportunity today to thank you for creating Perceptions.

Very best wishes,
form message (anonymous)

thanks for Simon's kind words - just have to hope he's pointed his friend to a `cheerful' page; wouldn't want to be responsible for worsening anyone's mood - RD

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:08:14 +0100
Subject: FWD - "Anglo-saxon `ascendancy' on the wane?

Anyone recall that conversation 2 years ago about `ascendancies'? (I rashly forecasted the decline of the US/Euro (anglo-saxon) `superiority'.)

Well today's Guardian headlines might hint at that same thing - Ray

"England's young people near bottom of global league table for basic skills"
Randeep Ramesh, social affairs editor, Tuesday 8 October 2013 14.06 BST

England's young people near bottom of global league table for basic skills
OECD finds 16 to 24 year-olds have literacy and numeracy levels no better than those of their grandparents' generation

England is the only country in the developed world where the generation approaching retirement is more literate and numerate than the youngest, according to the first skills survey by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

In a stark assessment of the success and failure of the 720 million-strong adult workforce across the wealthier economies, the economic thinktank warns that in England, adults aged 55 to 65 perform better than 16 to 24 year-olds in foundation levels of literacy and numeracy. The survey did not include people from Scotland or Wales.

The OECD study also finds that a quarter of adults in England have the maths skills of a 10 year-old. About 8.5 million adults, 24.1% of the population, have such basic levels of numeracy that they can manage only one-step tasks with sums, sorting numbers or reading graphs. This was worse than the average in the developed world, where an average of 19% of people were found to have a similarly poor skill base.

When the results within age groups are compared across participating countries, older adults in England score higher in literacy and numeracy than the average among their peers, while younger adults show some of the lowest scores for their age group.

Out of 24 nations, young adults in England (aged 16-24) rank 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy. England is behind Estonia, Australia, Poland and Slovakia in both areas.

This compares unfavourably with the adult population as a whole; English adults (aged 16-65) rank 11th for literacy and 17th for numeracy.

The OECD cautions that the "talent pool of highly skilled adults in England and Northern Ireland is likely to shrink relative to that of other countries".

The minister for skills and enterprise, Matthew Hancock, said: "This shocking report shows England has some of the least literate and numerate young adults in the developed world. These are Labour's children, educated under a Labour government and force-fed a diet of dumbing down and low expectations."

Labour hit back, saying that while in government it "drove up standards in maths and English across our schools, evident in the huge improvements we saw in GCSE results between 1997 and 2010".

Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, said: "Of course, more needs to be done and that is why a future Labour government would ensure all young people study maths and English to 18, and would overturn David Cameron's decision to allow unqualified teachers to teach in our classrooms on a permanent basis - we see in David Cameron an out-of-touch prime minister who cannot be trusted on school standards."

Last week Cameron called for young people under the age of 25 to be stripped of benefits so that they could "earn or learn" their way through life.

The government blamed the last administration, saying that the young people covered by the survey "were educated almost entirely under the last Labour government - for example, someone aged 18 when they took the OECD tests would have started school aged five in 1998 and finished compulsory education aged 16 in 2009".

In the survey, the first of its kind, 166,000 people in 22 OECD member countries, as well as Russia and Cyprus, sat through two hours of intense questioning about their skills and background.

The report, launched on Tuesday in Paris, shows that there appears to be a distinct hollowing out of the workforce across the rich world - with jobs requiring highly educated workers rising by around a fifth while those needing a medium or low skills base dropping by about 10% each.

England stands out with a handful of nations where social background determines reading skills. Along with Germany, Italy, Poland and the United States, the children of parents with low levels of education in England have "significantly lower proficiency than those whose parents have higher levels of education".

The OECD also warns that when looking at information technology, which it says is key to reshaping the workplace in the developed world, only 42.4% of 16 to 24 year-olds in England and Northern Ireland are proficient to the extent they can handle unexpected outcomes. This compares with the average of 50.7%.

Young adults in England and Northern Ireland scored 21% lower than those in South Korea - the best-performing country. Although the United States has a reputation for being the IT centre of the world, the survey found that its youngsters were the worst for basic technology proficiency - scoring 4.8% below young adult Britons.

"The implication for England and Northern Ireland is that the stock of skills available to them is bound to decline over the next decades unless significant action is taken to improve skills proficiency among young people," the OECD said.

These changes have already had major implications the global labour pool for talent. Britain used to provide 8% of the best-educated workers - but today only provides 4%.

By comparison, South Korea, which was not on the map two generations ago, now makes up 6% of the highly skilled pool of young talent.

What is clear is the rise of a very different form of training and education in east Asia, designed to rapidly lift people out of poverty. Nowhere is this more obvious than in Japan, where secondary-school leavers achieve a higher literacy level than English graduates.

At a fringe meeting of the Tory party conference, Hancock told delegates that Japan's model of vocational training was something that the "government was looking at very closely. People talk about Germany and its progress in making sure non-university graduates are skilled up for the workplace. But the real success is Japan."

Andreas Schleicher, the OECD's deputy director for education and skills, said Japan was good at developing skills but its "education system works in silos and productivity growth is so-so. Compare this to the UK and US, where they are no longer good at developing talent but very good at extracting value from the best workers.

"It is a question of which problem do you wish to have? In Japan they need to fix labour markets and make them more responsive to skills. In the UK it is a much harder problem to fix, which is creating a training programme."

Literacy for people aged 16-24
1 Finland
2 Japan
3 South Korea
4 Netherlands
5 Estonia
6 Australia
7 Sweden
8 Poland
9 Czech Republic
10 Germany
11 Austria
12 Slovak Republic
13 Denmark
14 France
15 Canada
16 Norway
17 Ireland
18 Spain
19 England/N Ireland
20 United States
21 Italy
22 Cyprus

Literacy for all adults
1 Japan
2 Finland
3 Netherlands
4 Sweden
5 Australia
6 Norway
7 Estonia
8 Slovak Republic
9 Flanders (Belgium)
10 Canada
11 Czech Republic
12 Denmark
13 South Korea
14 England/N Ireland
15 Germany
16 United States
17 Austria
18 Poland
19 Ireland
20 France
21 Spain
22 Italy

Numeracy for people aged 16-24
1 Netherlands
2 Finland
3 Japan
4 Flanders (Belgium)
5 South Korea
6 Austria
7 Estonia
8 Sweden
9 Czech Republic
10 Slovak Republic
11 Germany
12 Denmark
13 Norway
14 Australia
15 Poland
16 Canada
17 Cyprus
18 Northern Ireland
19 France
20 Ireland
21 England
22 Spain
23 Italy
24 United States

Numeracy for all adults
1 Japan
2 Finland
3 Sweden
4 Netherlands
5 Norway
6 Denmark
7 Slovak Republic
8 Flanders (Belgium)
9 Czech Republic
10 Austria
11 Germany
12 Estonia
13 Australia
14 Canada
15 South Korea
16 England/N Ireland
17 Poland
18 France
19 Ireland
20 United States
21 Italy
22 Spain

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 19:34:41 +0100
Subject: Re: Fw: matrilineal/matriarchal

Interesting - Thanks Boris.  Chats with Wm Mike M*** [below] have made for a bit of progress in this matter of differing male/female mentality or even `consciousness' at different eras in the last 20,000 to 50,000 years.

As you might know, for decade or more I've been considering if there are physical and maybe physiological reasons for human group migrations, and for the strange phenomenon of `ascendancies' of hundreds of years for each group, possibly extending back into the dim and distant past.  See metamail94.html#aliens

Coupled with that have also been looking at possible reasons for general changes in the level of `consciousness' in humans - these being somewhat evident over the last two and a half thousand years or so (see thresholds.html#inset from 2007), with last `change' at about 1800 CE, in Europeans at least.

We now know that females' brains are more efficient than males' and seem to pack more working cells into a smaller space (see fem-brain-eff.txt).

So if universal forces or effects are actually changing over long periods we could anticipate differing reactions in females - and maybe earlier - allowing consecutive breakthroughs in levels of consciousness.

If so we should be looking forward in excitement (or fear) for signs of our `next step' in mental abilities.


Maybe check the general evolution trend?

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 07:20:46 -0700
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:01:52 +0100
Subject: FWD - Mad Males: - modern effects [INDIA]

Hi Mike, thanks.

Have to admit my first impression of `peacefulness' which I'd gotten from Ian Wilson's stuff has to be revised in line with your opinion - although Wilson had stressed that female generals (presumably under one female `ruler' or priestess) had once scourged Anatolia and wider (say all of Turkey plus Syria and northern Iraq) and named all the principal cities after themselves, and the same for Libya and Morocco
(a remnant of their rule is the Tuareg or blue-eyed Beduin whose women-folk are rulers of their own tents and not under the domination even of their husbands - as recently as early 1900's they were still led into battle by their Queen or a Princess who, bare-breasted and riding in a chariot would lead the cavalry charge [think there's some early photos of one such action on the Net].)

BTW - all the early Anatolian evidence is that only women were buried (like in Peru) the men probably getting `sky-burials')

Even so it seems the women's control was total and cultural since those early civs had high quality housing for all, but no palaces, prisons or barracks.

Which tends to make me think (as outlined at that 2007 link) that male and female brains were responding differently to change, either in brain formation, or mutation of brain genes, or change of universal constants, or combination of any of them.  Which might make us wonder about the future - since it's extremely unlikely that any long-term changes would suddenly stop at a particular point.


-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:21 PM

Ray, as I've looked at before on this list, ancient matriarchal societies were equally or MORE bloodthirsty than patriarchal ones, and tended to practice blood-sacrifice and human sacrifice at a much higher rate (universally, human sacrifice was seen as a fertility ritual, tied in with the fecundity of the earth and crops).

Here's just one new example:
Unearthed Peruvian tomb confirms that women ruled over brutal ancient culture
Geekquinox - Scott Sutherland August 26, 2013


Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:04:34 -0300
Subject: FWD - Mad Males: - modern effects [INDIA]

Hi Boris,

It seems to me your hypothesis could be entirely consistent with the known (and emerging) facts.

It's strongly indicated that sometime before 12,000 - 10,000 years ago there was a world-wide net of trade and communication, transmitting knowledge, science and social / architectural modes around the world (even some mainstream scientists have admitted this), and that the social and physical organization was female-led.

Then, at the end of the Ice-Age came some momentous event(s), maybe call them `Atlantean', which wipe out most traces of what was currently happening. After a hiatus of maybe several thousand years there's evidence of a sudden glut of re-emergent civilizations, some of which, like the Egyptians and maybe Central + South American groups, are admitted by British Museum experts to have strangely `ready-made' attributes and skills.

BTW - trying to explain those `shifts' of thinking or consciousness - and particularly the different abilities of females w.r.t. males during different eras - concluded there might be a basic physical reason, which incidentally holds great promise (or fears) for the future - see thresholds.html#inset

-----Original Message----- From: Boris G

> Lol. Women always know instinctively what are the male? weakest points.

> But I have a different take on the "pre-history" of Greece because all the "modern" write-ups and studies are all within the judeo-christian frame.

> According to my information, Greece was first colonized by Atlantean sailors who scoared the Mediterranean high and wide, and founded the original Athens.

> But then tribes descending from the Muvians that came accross the Urals from Asia (Uighurs) and acquired different distinctions as they slowly spread through northern europe and then south to the Balkans, they warred and expelled the Atlanteans. A new Athens would then be built. And the Muvian descendants also would take the route back towards the Pillars of Hercules and found eventually found Rome. The Atlanteans seem to have prevailed in Egypt and in the north of africa mostly but they thinned out and eventually disappeared through wars and extinction of the smaller and weaker groups especially after Atlantis sank. The blood-line purity was their destruction. As later, in Egypt itself, this led to the extinction of the pharaonic strain.

> The Muvian ethnic groups seem to all have been matriarchal whereas the Atlantean had already tended to adopt a patriarchal line and were further impelled to do that because of their constant need to lead wars in an effort to survive. But the smites coming from the Mesopotamian valley over-rode them gradually. And these, due to their abrahmic roots were all patriarchal although strangely, inheritance goes through the matriarchal line.

> I guess this was the transition from the third root to the fourth (our present) root-race of humanity which occured in a relatively simultaneous time-frame all over the world, somewhere between 10 thousand years ago and the time-line adopted by the hebrew as zero-time for the beginning of the world because of their rleigious and political prevalence even then, felt among the arab cousins as well.

> Boris

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray D"

>> Right Boris, sometimes I think that any real sense I've picked up came from women along the way.

>> Now - The reports of early matriarchal societies - from maybe 11000 yrs ago and onwards - are a bit vague and were classed as `probably myths' until recently.

>> Ancient Greek records are being re-interpreted, like when the earliest incoming Greek tribes entered the Aegean (probably from the north) they found that the native inhabitants recounted their lineages in terms of "mother / grandmother / great grandmother" etc; and several Greek tales said that the islands were ruled by the women-folk, who also did the necessary fighting in case of dispute or invaders.  And the Jason & the Argonauts saga said the same thing about the folk living a bit to the north and east along the Black Sea coast.

>> Now Ian Wilson has done quite a lot of research (for his historical book `Before the Flood') which firms things up a bit.  Apparently those earliest societies _were_ organized by the women, although the men worked alongside and the men did most (or all?) of offshore trading trips (their frescos show fleets of ships coming back to harbour, with all the women-folk hanging out of their house windows to wave to them).

>> Although, on the darker side, it seems that if a man _did_ want to join the womens' ruling/organizing group he first had to work for the temple (as a naked slave) for a while and couldn't actually qualify until he'd publicly castrated himself.  Seems the women knew about the unbalancing effects of male testosterone even then.

>> Ray

Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:25:03 +0100
Subject: FWD - Mad Males: - modern effects [INDIA]

We can now see the very long-term harm caused by the illogical economic incentives created by patriarchal systems, which increased their grip (and cruelty) from maybe 4,000 to 3,000 BCE onwards.  Before that the dynastic Egyptians were both matrilineal (which they continued to be, with property and rulership inherited through the female line) and - with the rest of the world - matriarchal: with women priests, Queens and generals. ref]

Re those illogical patriarchal economics:  the `real' value of females is much greater than males' since women do the plant and animal breeding and raising, domestic and civic organizing, and also previously maintained world-wide (peaceful) trading.

To counter that reality the incoming patriarchal societies had to destroy trading by marauding and slaughter, and imposed `bride-prices' or dowries so that the families of the males got richer by every marriage. I.e - it falsely made sons profitable and turned daughters into an extra cost.

Those with eyes to see would've noticed baleful effects acting over the centuries in countries like India (and maybe in parts of China), and in the West by its effect in elite male-only schooling which creates a stratum of un-civilised and often pervert ruling classes.ref

Murder-by-abortion (of daughters) has become increasingly common in India, reaching a height today where there's a national deficiency of females being born, unbalancing the social and moral structures (by loss of civilizing effects of sisters and powerful mothers) until young males in India do not see women as humans at all, but merely as sex-objects to be stolen by violence and then possibly murdered.

That centuries-old process has been accompanied by growing corruption (I have received hundreds of mails from Indian folk who've suffered massive theft, kidnapping and rape of daughters (often by gangs including police-men) with no redress from corrupt magistrates and judges).

In the short term that seems to forecast a collapse (or revolution) in Indian society which you might think overdue - but longer-term it also implies that the West will go that way too.


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:43:17 +0100
Subject: Re: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Interesting. Reading in-depth report from Ars Technica shows that there's a bit more to it than the headline.

I.e. - there's a crossover-effect _and_ a camouflage effect which creates an area where quite stupid people can appear to belong to an intelligent group (because they put effort & cunning into the pretence), and where quite intelligent people can appear to be part of a religious group (because it's safer or more advantageous).

Have some personal insight on both:
i) recall IQ surveying a group of telecomms officers and apprentices I happened to be working with some years ago [the IQ test used was "real" - using spatial recognition and object manipulation, so it wasn't testing language or `knowledge'].  They all scored in the 140's or higher but didn't appear different to ordinary blue-collar working folk - probably because they preferred that culture to any other.

ii) on the other hand also recall (from work in Germany) a couple of English guys who were always boasting / crowing about membership of MENSA (high IQ club) but think they'd had several tries at the entry test. They were both `posers' you wouldn't trust to do a task, and they weren't even good at their (technical) jobs.

BTW - when working as a NATO instructor in Italy for four years - (telecomms theory + practice, comms coding and mathematics), I noticed during each courses' `intro- chats' (where I just chatted with the class for the first period, so - unknown to them - I could get an idea of their respective knowledge levels), that there were often a few heavy users of technical / science buzz-words and that later those same people would turn out not to understand the basic principles underlying comms science and mathematics.  So I realized that buzz-word users were usually posers and meant extra work for me.

BTW2 - I personally think that Richard Dawkins is an example of a `poser' - he claimed some `scientific' conclusions but when you examine them, they're all shallow band-wagons which don't stand up to analysis.
See archive re: Dawkins & BBC.


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Subject: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.

A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found `a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity' in 53 out of 63 studies ... (more at page)


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