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MAIL (to "The Times") Date: Mon, 03 July 2003)

Interesting letter from our brave, impartial police-chiefs in "The Times" today

Here's our `Perceptions' conclusion

Subject: :) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:15:42 +0000 From: "hare krisna" <merdaqllons@***.com>
oh!! dont care
I will return to your page, I think it's very interesting and there are some interesting ideas.
"hare krisna"

replied "Thanks, . . . couldn't ask more from dearest friend ed@percs"

Subject: genes4.html Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 03:51:00 +0100 To: hare krisna <merdaqllons@***.com>
Hello "Hare Krisna" - Please slow down!
A careful read of genes4 - "Sexual Differences" would see that the article presents only facts along with logical conclusions from those facts.

Ask careful reader if they find the dogmatic opinions - seen by you - in genes4?
Hope you can come back happy - i.e. maybe with less of a "testosterone response"
best wishes

Subject: about sexuak differences. Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 18:26:24 +0000 From: "hare krisna" <>

First of all i have to say that im not american on english so im sure that i will make a lot of mistakes writting this mail. i hope you read all the mail in spite of mistakes thanks. ^_^

About sexual differences i have to say some things that i have detected and i think that it's necessary to include in the article.

MORAL SIDE OF THE ARTICLE: Tanks to say males are unnecessary, a testosterone one without brain and that are not necessary to reproduction. But to the cold heart that had wrotte his article i have to say that if he judge the value of people only by his reproduccional function i have to say that he has a prehistoric-mind with racial concepts (well not racial,but using gender the same thinking). When you had said that males are not necessary you had said that 3000 milions man and children are not necessary without think about his feelings, about his life, his future, etc.The egoism necessary to say that males are brainless bags of testosterone not necessary( so if they dissapear it's better) remember me the worst racisms of this world that everytime forget that PEOPLE HAVE FEELINGS!!!!! males and females. Finally say that you get hurt all good mans that read this article, but not the egoist ones, THANKS AGAIN.Your life is not necessary for me, but i never will say or think that you are not necessary cause i dont think with a cold brain, but with a warm heart that sees YOUR FEELINGS AND YOUR VALUE AS PERSON without think in your gender, you do opposite.

"SCIENTIFIC" SIDE OF THE ARTICLE: About the incompetent arguments exposed to say that the existence of 3000 milions man and children is not necessary i remeber that some the author make some similarities with insects but forget to compare with the rest of mammals and birds that are endotermic and more efective that other animals, in this spices the males shows the capacities and females select. Why it's necessary to have 2 genders? 2 diferenciated genders are a answer to get animals more specialized, so they can do more things better, it means that if a animal is pregned, and have to defend his land and fight others, etc, it will be less efective than 2 diferenciated animals (the animal that only generates new life and another that defends land). Another reasons to the existence of 2 diferenciated genders is that animals and evolution needs a continuous mix of genes to mantain the genetic diversity of the race, when a animal is pregned it have to wait a certain time to spread his genes, but if you can reproduce without became pregned then you can spread great quantity of genes in a short time, it prevents the genetic degeneration so all the complex animals that needs a complex and fragile DNA needs a kind of animal specialized in spread genes without became pregned.If males dont exists simply all complex animals in a large(or short) period of time will lose quickly his genetic viability and will became all extint excet sniles.

Another false concept:
To get weak, samller females alive we need STRONG BIG MANS THAT DEFEND THEY FROM BIG AND AGRESSIVE ANIMALS.If we delete man from earth then by natural selection the strongest agressive woman will prevail over fragile weak woman.
THEN FINALLY YOU WILL OBTAIN A SWATZENEGUER PREGNED so what will prevail is a man capable of be pregned not a woman. If a weak,fragile,small and complex woman can exists is because a strong, agressive, etc man can defend it.If this man use this agressivity against woman then its a contradition cause the agressivity is required to DEFEND!! not to ATTACK, BUT IT'S NECESSARY.

Finally i will say that in the history of humanity you will see Thousands of MALES that had changed the thinking and had helped humanity to be better, THEY ARE TESTOSTERONE BRAINLESS TOO?????

-is plato as testosterone brainless?
-is christ as testosterone brainless?
-is Newton as testosterone brainless?

-to say that a geneder is inferior to another is to think with a primitive mind without heart, without see the feelings, and without understand what means HUMAN FAMILY, and without see the soul of otherones but only his BODY (SEEING PEOPLE AS CATTLE).

"hare krisna" <>

Sun, 25 May 2003 21:16:41 +0100 To: As h <>
Thanks Bob,
Your message is appreciated and aim to keep `the struggle' going.
Even so, when adrenaline subsides have a faint sympathy for leaders of `establishment' (of science or other disciplines). Mostly they've achieved rank by memorizing "text book" rules and here we are saying the text book is wrong - so they feel threatened with looking very silly.
So they tend to dig-in and deny everything. That's the attitude of all establishments.
Keep the faith - (if you have one)

Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 06:32:43 +0100 (BST) From: As h <>

I would just like to say what an excellent website.

May not be exact quote, but - "A lie has travelled twice around the world before the truth has even got his boots on" Terry Pratchet, (The Truth 2001)

At SciMail - SPECIAL REQUEST from GONG - do a service for SCIENCE
(we'd help direct - but `Perceptions' is a real charity and therefore has no money at all)

Subject: New `Foundation' hospitals Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:35:02 +0100 To: PHCDUFFY12@***.com

Hello Mr. Duffy,
You seem to have a good point.  Despite the (maybe deliberate) confusion surrounding this and other issues, there seem to be consistent renegings / betrayals on promised returns from our (pre-paid) tax investments.

We notice that MPs & senior civil servants _never_ begin economies by cutting _their_ returns (their high salaries & pensions) from our taxes.
we forecast, some time in the future
a) real elections for politician, mayor, judge, sheriff, magistrate, & town clerk instead of corruption - as now
b) candidates accept local average-income, rather than join the greedy, destructive rich - as now

Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:56:44 EDT From: PHCDUFFY12@***.com

Dear Editor Ref New Foundation Hospitals

We need a more public debate on this issue.Mr Blair has hijacked popular support for nurses to obscure the reality of these moves. For a number of years Nurses leaders and organisations have been incorporated into the system. The result falling patient care and demoralisation. We need to support those members of Parliament opposed to these new foundation hospitals. But we need to do things to help ourselves. In reality services are been cut and in some cases not replaced. In others they appear to be a mixture of give aways and privatisation by another name.

We need scrutiny of these bodies which we have not seen to date. For example some 50 chief executives refused to give details of their payment to the Public Accounts Committe.Hospital enquiry after hospital enquiry has followed and we have no proper complaints system. We have a national health service in name only and these new reforms will make the system even worse.We need to encourage a degree of public action. In Southampton local MP Mr John Denham has supported them and supported a new interventions over mental health services.

Its my belief that Mr Denham may better intervene in prejudices over mental health services and better use of resouces. My understanding of the matter is the governments strategy is wrong. Changes in the law and payments to legal services mean that many people fail to be represented in mental health law.Under representation of those in the community or sectioned is already a major issue.

Further the move towards foundation trusts undermines any previous work between local authorities and health bodies.Problems with elderly care funding are well documented but there is little work on elderly people with learning disabilities or mental health problems.The government white paper on Learning Disabilities was the first in 30 years and proposed closure of all learning disability hospitals with time scale of 5 years is reckless.

Grove House for example is less than 30 years old.Accommodation that could easily be converted for multiple uses for example nurses accommodation or isolation purposes.In its day it was an advanced social experiment and few areas outside Wessex are so advanced. There are also difficult and dangerous patients that may need more secure facilities.

Recruitment and training of staff is all ready difficult. The local daily Southampton Echo has already reported a staff shortage of 60 for the Mental Health Service. Providing community services is more difficult and complex. Its my belief that under the guise of providing services that in reality they are been cut. More help might be better extended to carers or those providing help at home. Reenforced by holiday or respite care.

What do your readers think?
Yours sincerely
Patrick Cooper -Duffy

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:55:41 -0700

In science-mail:- interesting CATASTROPHE MAIL

Subject: You can help the nuns... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:36:47 -0400
From: "Jonah House" <> To: "Trident Ploughshares 2000" <>

Friends, Jackie, Carol and Ardeth have sent this message through Bill Sulzman
------ Nuns Need Our Help
Many persons have been asking, "What can I do for Jackie Hudson, OP
(facing 6-7 years), Carol Gilbert OP and Ardeth Platte OP both facing 6 1/2
to 8 years?

We have met with our presentence investigation officers the week of April 14
and they suggested that letters of support be mailed to their probation department.

These could take the form of your awareness of the Sisters personally or
their character as an individual, or the letter could combine all three persons.

Letters are due before June 1.
Please write the letters to Judge Robert Blackburn
but mail them to Susan Heckman at the address below:
Mail the letters to:
Susan M. Heckman
Senior US Probation Officer
1961 Stout St.. Suite 525
Denver, CO 80294-0101
Fax (303) 844 5439

Please pass this e-mail on and overwhelm the judge and department.
(from Sisters Ardeth, Carol and Jackie)

Subject:Re: thanks for the good thought Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:01:49 EDT From: PHCDUFFY12@***.com & Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:00:53 EDT
Two messages
Thank you for your excellent web site which is perhaps the most informative that I have visted. Patrick

Sent modest (but grateful) disclaimer to Patrick (and others) - got back:

Yes indeed and I salute your courage and imagination. A good use of new technology. Patrick
Suchlike good thoughts are appreciated - tho' we can't print them all

Subject: on prisoners, trials, faith and resistance .. Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:14:28 -0400 From: "Jonah House"
long note - edited
Bill Frankel-Streit, serving 6 months for labeling the bloody Pentagon on the Feast of the Innocents, was moved from Warsaw VA jail to Philadelphia. His present address is
William Streit #03809-052
Federal Detention Center
PO Box 560
Philadelphia, PA 19105
Please know that Bill anticipates being there for a short time (roughly two weeks). He is designated to serve the remaining 4+ months in Fort Dix, NJ. He would welcome hearing from you. Steve Woolford and Steve Baggarly are still in Warsaw, alas!

Ardeth, Carol and Jackie remain in Clear Creek County Jail. Their sentencing is scheduled for July 25 - each at a different time of the day. We can brief you on that later. Jackie's guidelines have her at 5 - 6 years in prison. Ardeth and Carol's guidelines are 7 - 8 years.

So why the obvious injustice of seeking 5 to 8 year prison sentences for three Sisters' straight-forward good-faith act of civil resistance? Why such viciousness against Nuns who objectively intended to expose in a well-measured manner, what they knew to be a grossly illegal and criminal threat or attempt to use a horrific weapon of mass destruction?

"Threat or use of this weapon of mass destruction is just as illegal and criminal by the U.S. as by anyone else. Complete nuclear disarmament is a legal, treaty-based obligation of the US and all countries and can only reasonably occur non-violently one weapon at a time," said Ardeth Platte.

Under our Constitution, the Courts say what the law is, but they cannot ignore or misconstrue directly relevant and binding law, the laws prohibiting attempts, threats and conspiracy to commit war crimes and genocide.

The Nuns intended to point out and expose in a highly measured and non-violent way, clear violations of our own binding law by the US. This may be shocking to some people but in our democracy it is most certainly not a felony.

Trial tomorrow in D.C. for folks arrested at Lafayette Park on January 19 (also in NYC for those arrested at the US Mission to the UN).

Love from us all

Subject: Nuns convicted on both counts Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:52:38 -0400 / Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:45:25 -0400 From: "Jonah House" <>

[USA (link) - NUNS - Ardeth, Jackie and Carol - JAILED for PROTESTING]

It would be an understatement to say that we are broken-hearted. The jury just came in (like 15 minutes ago (3:30ish p.m.) with a guilty verdict on both counts. Before their lunch today they sent 3 questions to the judge:
Is it a sabotage charge? He answered that it was not - which is a lie.
Under the intent injunction, there is an and/or conjunction, the jurors asked which it was and he responded that it did make any difference.
They asked for a definition of intent and the judge told them that they had their instructions.

At this juncture, we do not know sentencing date or appeal calendar. We'll let you know when we do. The nuns had anticipated a 10 week lapse between conviction and sentencing and then another two weeks before being transferred to federal prison. You can probably use their address at Clear Creek County Jail for the duration - Box 518, Georgetown CO 80444.

LINK - "Ploughshares Org"

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 17:37:00 +0100

Lo Masked Frag
Your comments are appreciated, and it's not the first.

1) Layout: Your suggested re-vamp:- options being urgently reviewed right now [huge job though].
2) Search: put a powerful set of search-tools on top of SEARCH page, but welcome any further suggestions (hope to look at PostNuke asap).
3) Aggression: A problem is - getting angry while writing - very bad habit. Am re-reading pages (and getting embarrassed), and re-writing - whenever time is available.

Please keep the ideas coming.

Anybody can do that forecasting - of earthquake/tectonic activity & even of solar activity - details HERE

Hey - really like your "chick" analogy - If too protected, the chick can't get free, but starves inside its over-strong shell.

Subject: comment Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 03:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: Masked Frag mafrag@***.com

I am writting just to say couple of things. I find some of your ideas very interesting, and I think some of them could be elaborated in more detail...

The main thing I want to point out is your webpage design, which is to say the least, not good. It is very hard for someone who wants to read something there to find things... And you tend to write very agressive, so some people disregard your ideas just because of style of writing (even I had to come back a couple of times to find what I want).

I recommend that you change your website design (you can use some free CMS solutions like PostNuke, and the navigation would be much easier). And for people who are sceptics, to have some part where you say what you can see coming (like that increase in sloar [solar? - ed.] activity) and the time it happened) That cannot be rebuked.
Thanks for the food for mind ;-) ------

All rules and boundaries must someday be broken. How else can we go beyond ourselves? A thallow chick must break out of his egg, but this does not mean that the shell is without value.

Sat, 29 Mar '03

John Branagan (from below) sent - as answer to our query below - this quote from Rod:-
"The authorities state 200,000. STWC say 750,000. somewhere in between is probably more like the truth, as the police always report half the numbers on demos (unless it's the Counrtyside Alliance, in which case they double them!) and STWC tend to exagerate the numbers slightly" - Rod

and also said check

From: Brent Stop the War To: StopwarMaillist: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Demonstration Yesterday / Photos / Brent Stop the War Discussion Group / War on Poverty / where to go from here

Hello All,
For those who didn't attend, we can tell you that yesterday's London Demonstration was a magnificent event. - - - - (more)
For a full report of the protests around the country, look at
`War on Want' are asking people to sign a declaration that: "the only war worth fighting is the War on Poverty. We believe that the money and energy our government is about to devote to killing people would be better used to tackle the injustice and exploitation that blight the lives of millions and fuel conflict"
If you want to sign it, you can do so at:

From Zerine
`Brent Stop the War'
You can join the Brent Stop the War Discussion Group by sending an email to

Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:57:37 +0000 To:

Hello John, would appreciate any accurate figures of attendees for the various demos Saturday.

Reason: UK's police, newspapers & BBC have a habit of calling low numbers for demos on social issues, high numbers if required for `establishment' propaganda.

best regards


Are we saying that (some) UK police bosses are liars? that (most) UK newspapers are liars? & that (many) BBC bosses are liars? Well, yes!

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Menwith Hill and Fairford THIS SATURDAY!!!!
The March 22nd mass demonstrations planned at US bases Menwith Hill in Yorkshire and Fairford in Gloucestershire for this coming Saturday are GOING AHEAD!!!- - - (more)
NOW OBSOLETE BUT WILL LEAVE LINKS etc for more info for more info

Subject: Good to hear from Pheonix Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:19:48 +0000 To: Mike L

Hello Mike,
It's good to hear from you again, and to get more links from you.
Yes, anyone stuck inside a lifetime view - which is what we've all mostly got - can get pretty despondent at times like these, when populations are led by the nose by rabble-rousing self-interested politicians with no regard for truth nor human decency.

And it's not just in the UK or the States. Take a look at past 20 / 50 years around the world.  Whenever a regime of the privileged has been in electoral trouble (thru incompetence / corruption most likely) what do they do?  Stir up a border dispute, a fighting war or even genocide!  To get the over-worked or TV-watching (& therefore unthinking) majority to "rally round the flag"

[We're talking India/Pakistan, England/Germany, Serbia/Jugoslavia, Indonesia/Malaysia, Russia/(name your victims) and many, many more]

But don't despair Pal, take the long view - at least we're not all mass-murderers and baby-killers as seems was the case a few thousand years ago (check the O.T).

So we can hope - as seems to be the statistical case - that the human species is slowly evolving towards true humanity. Maybe all we've got to worry about is: "Is the timing going to be crucial?"
best regards

Subject: hello again from Phoenix Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 04:31:00 -0800 (PST) From: m l - Subject: further thoughts Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 07:23:52 -0800 (PST)

I hope you are well. I have not written or been following much as the economy here gets worse. I am fine but many friends are not. The recession that's talked about is more like the beginning of a repression.

I have just read a very well written and detailed theory of 9-11 ( and it reaffirms what I believed likely happened for the most part.

[ 2004 -That page seems to've been cut - here's probable replacement - - ed. ]

It is a rather large article and be forewarned it will depress you with its un-answerable truths and the reality behind that knowledge is that it's almost to late to stop. Please give it a read as I am curious of your opinion, my reasons for sending you stuff is not to see my name on a page but for your opinion.
your friend in the wild west

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Somewhere I saw on your site a discusion about whether humans would turn out to be stupid and go extinct or turn out to be smart [ here?] and I feel sick to my stomach that it seems to be in the hands of the American citizens right now.
By that I mean:- are they going to wake up? Or are they going to be self indulgent and screw us all into extinction ? Which is what will happen with the one world goverment run by a group of fraternity boys who never worked a day in their lives.

Subject: 'life force' Date: Wed, 18 Dec 102 23:21:13 Eastern Daylight Time From: "richardmacn@***.com" richardmacn@***.com

Interesting mail - covers Evol/Socio and Science and maybe even Metaphysics - (& reply) at SciMail


Richard gives some links also:-,,

Subject: "Pirelli INTERNETional Award 2002" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:01:52 +0000


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Subject: Call for Entries Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:10:10 +0100
"Pirelli INTERNETional Award 2002"

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:39:53 +0000

Hello Steve, how's it going? Your project is featured [ below ]

Let's hope it brings international response. Please keep us informed


Subject: writer/researcher needs your help Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:29:25 -0600 From: Steve Lawler To: editor [ long mail; full text here]

Dear Colleague, I am writing to ask your help for a book I am writing about Life Practices. I am looking for examples of those simple things that we all do that are essential to expressing and maintaining our values as we face life's ups and downs - our Life Practices. I have been receiving some of these by e-mail.

'Water what you want to grow' is my motto. Whenever I see something being done well I acknowledge it as soon as possible and in some tangible way. The least that I do is to complement the person doing the thing well. What I try to do more often is write a note to the person or give them a small gift" [full list here] "I learned from my grandfather to 'use the best materials you can afford.' This has provided a model for my life's work. Even in my late 70's I am still actively building things and more to the point of your book, I am still building my life out of "the best materials I can afford."

And, at a time when there is so much mistrust in the world, I hope my book does some small part in reminding us that we even though we have differences, we still have much to learn from one another ... I will be grateful if you would help me in this project.
Thank you for your consideration.
Steve Lawler
My contact information is: Steve Lawler 47 Aberdeen Place, St. Louis, MO 63105 USA Voice: +1 (314) 753 7911 Fax: +1 (314) 727 9792 E-mail: Web Site: (under construction)

Subject: anti-Libertarianism - shifty language Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:36:25 +0100 To: Julie DePue <julie@***.us>

Hello Julie DePue

You're right - and here's our problem:
Corrupt establishments always have control of mainstream media, & therefore of the slogans used to smear seekers of liberty.

17th Cent church govt used "irreligious" / 18th Cent. landowner govt used "anarchist" / 19th Cent. nationalist/industrial govt used "traitor" / 20th Cent military/industrial govt used "communist" [bolshevik]

We saw through those fraudulent & oppressive lies; now:- 21st Cent. international/corporate govt uses "terrorist"

You're faced with orwellian "double-speak" - `Rulers' keep changing the "rules" But we're working on it - and welcome suggestions for any likely approach.
best regards

[ Not just here in the West - people around the world are disenfranchised, conned by their establishments' media;
East & West, North & South - anyone speaking for the oppressed and starving is now to be called "terrorist" ]

Subject: LIBERTARIANISM?????? Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:56:40 -0400 From: "Julie DePue" <julie@***.us>

I have read with great interest the entire contents of your web site, and many links. I agree with much of what you say. However, I have a serious problem in understanding why you fail to make the connection between oppression and libertarianism: [at genes7c ? - ed ]

1) Organizations are born from a perceived need:- orphans=orphanage, poverty=charity, religion=church, government=bureaucracy, communication=media, oppression=libertarianism

All others you address, but I feel in leaving out the importance of this particular battle for justice, you fail in pointing the finger in the right direction for your readers.


Julie DePue

Subject: Political Censorship by the British Media Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:45:36 +0100

Hello Jonathan,
We saw some British media standards at mediauk - beebvbeeb & links. We're also told UK media owners are inner circle at secret conclaves of military / industrial / banking elite

Subject: Political Censorship by the British Media Date: Sat 19 Oct 2002 1201:37 +0100 From: Jonathan B Hunt <> To: editor at

Dear Sir/Madam, I would be grateful if you could publicize my two websites. covers research undertaken by Malcom Keith-Hunt and myself into the `cash for questions' affair showing that the Guardian newspaper invented the story and enacted a cynical cover-up to escape redress about which the British news media has enacted a sustained news blackout. covers my recent High Court action against the ITC and Granada Television (about which the British news media also censored all mention) which I brought after the ITC wrongly rejected my complaint against Granada over Granada's sustained censorship of our investigation.

Its the best case of press corruption and censorship you'll find outside Iraq.

Many thanks
Jonathan Boyd Hunt

Subject: interesting articles Date:Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:59:09 +0100

Hello friend,
Thanks for the links - your references are thought provoking and worth reading

We know too well - in media, police, bureaucracy, politics there are always lickspittles ready to oppress (or get rid-of) thoughtful citizens - maybe even in today's "good ol' USA"
That's why we're not printing our correspondent's address - ed.

Subject: please read Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:16:00 -0700 (PDT)From:>Hello, [ from USA ]

I must say that the U.S. is no longer the place it was.

Now it is full of people that only watch tv and do not vote or know much of anything about the freedoms they have already given up.

Please read,, might interest you.

Thank you very much for your site and your responses to me in the past. I appreciate your kindness.

[name/address given)

Ed. We're (well) aware that integrity is always a risk - hence not printing address

Subject:Injustice Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:34:57 EDT From:

Dear [list]
We all know about the Corrupt Practices of the UK Legal System. Where Perjury Rules and Judges make findings of fact that are at complete variance with the evidence that they are asked to take into consideration. In fact the Courts act to deny ordinary folk Justice where their rights have been infringed/violated by persona acting in official capacities.

The Human Rights Act 1998 would be a most amusing jest, if it not for the fact that it is intended to completely destroy our rights, not secure them in UK Law as claimed. Where even the non derogable Rights such as freedom from torture have been made deragoble/qualifiable as required.

Please review our embryonic site at

With respect to the Human Rights Act 1998 please visit

Regarding Human Rights as secured by the European Charter on Fundamental Rights please see

Regards John Charville

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:02:35 +0100 To:

Hello, Taken as a compliment. Thanks a lot
best regards

[Hey - you're allowed to say _which_ page you like / dislike, suggest improvements etc. Go ahead - speak your piece] - ed

Subject: Your Web Page Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:54:20 EDT

I have found your Web Page to be very interesting to read.


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